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Johanna Mary Head
« on: Tuesday 08 April 08 07:24 BST (UK) »

Hi, I wonder if anyone can please help me?  I am trying to fine any information on  my great grandmother so I can order her birth certificate and  her parents marriage certificate.
The only information I have is on her Australian marriage certificate in 1907. Her name was Johanna Mary Head, aged 28, from Hastings, Sussex. and her parents were George Head, Contractor, deceased and Elizabeth Nicols, deceased.  I have not been able to locate her anywhere via free searches so can not proceed any further back - cheers - Jenny
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Re: Johanna Mary Head
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 08:20 BST (UK) »

Welcome to Rootschat

The only Johanna Head I can find at the moment is this one in 1891 census

Johanna Head Servant  Unmarried  18  Domestic born Hastings

at 7 The Gardens, Camberwell, London

Ref  RG12   469  109   28

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Re: Johanna Mary Head
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 08:49 BST (UK) »

Welcome to Rootschat

The only Johanna Head I can find at the moment is this one in 1891 census

Johanna Head Servant  Unmarried  18  Domestic born Hastings

at 7 The Gardens, Camberwell, London

Ref  RG12   469  109   28

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i think shes likely to be this one in 1881

 RG11  760  51  12

at the South Metropolitan District School, listed as born Greenwich


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Re: Johanna Mary Head
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 15:01 BST (UK) »

Hi,

This could be Johanna travelling to Australia,


Johanna HEAD 
Date of departure: 22 May 1894   
Port of departure: London   
Passenger destination port: Fremantle, Australia   
Passenger destination: Fremantle, Australia   
English
Age: 20 
Single
Female 
Ship:  PORT PIRIE


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Re: Johanna Mary Head
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 15:17 BST (UK) »

The only marriage with a George Head and an elizabeth Nichols on the same page that I can spot on FreeBMD is:

Dec 1867 Bethnal Green  1c 545 
George Head to either Sophia Wilmot or Elizabeth Nichols

I searched the 1871 census for a possible couple and the best match I come up with (but really, it's just a guess) is:

1871
RG10/742 78 20
St Paul Deptford, London     
40 Hales Street

George Head, head, 25, Bricklayer's Labourer, b. Hants Southampton
Elizabeth, wife, 25, b. London Shoreditch
Arthur, son, 3, b. Southwark Boro
George, son, 1, b. Kent Deptford

Interestingly, there's a George Head age 11 born Greenwich at the South Metropolitan district school in Sutton in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=21284381

Also a Catherine Head age 13 - I'm nearly wondering whether the Arthur age 3 on the 1871 census should really be Catherine (there's a birth Catherine Head - Mar 1868 - St George Southwark 1d 160)
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Re: Johanna Mary Head
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 15:20 BST (UK) »

Hi Jenny & welcome to Rootschat!
This should be an easy one but it's had me scratching my head for hours  Roll Eyes
The Johanna Head Roy found in 1891 gives a dob of about 1873.
The one Toni found which is a school in Surrey also has a smilar birth date of 1873.
I've trawled through the census, 1881, 1891 & 1901 trying to find Johanna and/or her parents...no luck.
I've checked the full GRO birth indexes for 1872/1873. 1878/1879 & 1880 looking for a birth registration..no luck.
The 1881 Johanna looks promising but do you think she might have fibbed about her age on the marriage certificate, making herself 6 years younger?
It's not clear whether that means she was born Hastings or it was her last place of abode before leaving for Oz.  On that subject, have you found the details of her passage to Oz?
Also can't find a marriage between a George Head & an Elizabeth Nicols.

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Re: Johanna Mary Head
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 15:32 BST (UK) »

Daisy's shipping record looks promising I think, Jane!  Cheesy

There's a possible death
Elizabeth Head age 27
Dec 1874 Greenwich 1d 601

If only we could find a lead regarding Johanna's birth!     
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Re: Johanna Mary Head
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 15:33 BST (UK) »

They are in Greenwich registration district in 1871, I found this death which could be Elizabeth, maybe that's why the children were in a school Undecided

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Elizabeth HEAD    age:27    Dec Q 1874     Greenwich     1d  601


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just found that one too Tati Smiley
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Re: Johanna Mary Head
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 15:38 BST (UK) »

Yes, I agree Tati, that looks like her on the shipping list with a correct age so I think she shaved off 6 years on her marriage  Grin  That looks good for her mother's death & I seem to recall getting a George & EMMA Head on the census index so maybe her father remarried...let me go back & have a peek......back in a min,

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Re: Johanna Mary Head
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 16:25 BST (UK) »

George & Emma just didn't work out  Sad  But did find this excellent piece about the South Metropolitan District School, Sutton  http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?SouthMetSD/SouthMetSD.shtml
As the Head children, Johanna, RG11/760/51/12, George & Catherine RG11/760/50/10 are in this workhouse related institution in 1881, might be the father, George has died also?
Just re-capping.  It looks as if she (Johanna) was born 1873.  Her mother, Elizabeth marrying George Head in 1867 & dying in 1874.
But why no birth reg for Johanna & where does Hastings come into all this?

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Re: Johanna Mary Head
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 18:11 BST (UK) »

maybe she was registerd under Mary J(ohanna) Head  Undecided Huh
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Re: Johanna Mary Head
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 18:22 BST (UK) »

Could be, Toni.  I did have a look under Hannah in case there was a mistake but I'll look again tomorrow for Mary,

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Re: Johanna Mary Head
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 09 April 08 02:03 BST (UK) »

Firstly thank you to all the people who have taken the time to reply to, and welcome me to Rootschat.   
I have also been scratching my head  over her.  I have her Aussie marriage and death certificates and a birth certificate of her only child, which all state that  her birth year should be 1879.  Also on the birth certificate for her child, it states: Mother, Johanna Mary Head, Hastings, Sussex, England.  I think that maybe she did shave 5/6 years off her age once she landed in Australia!  I just do not know what to do next to get her birth certificate, so I can confirm her parents place of birth, ages etc.  Does anyone know if I am able to access any records (by paying) from the South Metripolitan Dist School, and what information I would likey to find?  Maybe I should take a punt and send for the Death Certificate for Elizabeth??  -  cheers - Jenny
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Re: Johanna Mary Head
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 09 April 08 02:28 BST (UK) »

There is a Mary HEAD birth registered Hastings, Dec qtr 1872, 2b 21, which would be in the right age group to be 8 in 1881 and 18 in 1891.

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Re: Johanna Mary Head
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 09 April 08 06:58 BST (UK) »

Hi Jenny,
It's possible she did shave a few years off her age once in Oz & stuck to it throughout her life  Undecided  But there still remains that niggling doubt about Hastings.  If that's her in service in 1881 she states place of birth, Hastings  Undecided  but all other information points to Greenwich.  Anyway, there is hope  Smiley  A fellow Rootschatter, Dawn has kindly offered to do look-ups at the London Metropolitan Archives (LMA)  where the documents concerning the South Metropolitan District Schools (SMDS) are kept.  Here is the link to her offer;

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,294670.0.html

You need to ask Dawn for a look-up in;
The London Borough of Greenwich, register of children at SMD Schools:
 
1869-1873 CallNo/Microfilm No  GBG/295/003
1873-1879                                 GBG/295/004
1879-1891                                 GBG/295/005

Three time-frames as we are not sure when she & her siblings were sent there.  If Dawn finds something it might give some more valuable information.
Give Dawn as much information as you can regards Johanna so she's in the picture.  Or copy & paste the address to this link, so she can follow what's been going on.
I would hold off ordering any certificates until Dawn can get that information.  In the meantime I'll check the GRO indexes again for her birth reg.

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