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cb1964
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Lookup & Info for David Sharpe, please (COMPLETED)
« on: Tuesday 08 April 08 12:38 BST (UK) »

I am trying to trace the whereabouts of my GG Grandfather, David Sharpe. The limited and confusing information I have is as follows:

1851 Census - Ely Holy Trinity
North Side, Neunham
David Sharpe Head 27 Ag Labour (born: Camb Wickhambrook)
Catherine Sharpe Wife 25 (born: Camb Ely)
Eliza Sharpe Daur 6 Scholar (born: Camb Ely)
Mary Ann Sharpe Daur 3 Scholar (born Brandon Suffolk)

1871 Census - Ely Holy Trinity
Blue Boar
David Sharpe Head 47 Labourer (born: Suffolk)
Hannah Sharpe 2nd Wife 26 (born: Middlesex London)
Eliza Sharpe Daur 26 (born: Suffolk Brandon)
William Sharpe Son 16 Labourer (born: Cambs Ely)
Edward Sharpe Son 12 (born: Cambs Ely)
Samuel Sharpe Son 8 (born: Cambs Ely)
Emma Sharpe Daur 6 (born: Cambs Ely)
Julia Sharpe Daur 3 (born: Cambs Blue Boar)
David Sharpe Son 1 (born: Cambs Blue Boar)

I also have an 1841 census record for a David Sharpe. City of Lincoln, Parish of St. Michael. Living on Steep Hill age 15, Cabinet M Ap. I am however not convinced this is my David Sharpe.

David's 1st wife Catherine died in 1866 and he married Hannah in 1867. I understand the 1861 census records no longer exist from a reply to my recent post here. Also I have not found any returns for David for 1881 or beyond, but he may well have died by then.

I do not know the area but is Wickhambrook in Suffolk and not Cambridgeshire? Also, any information on the Blue Boar would be appreciated.

Apologies for the long post, over to you Rootschatters. Grin

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Re: Lookup & Info for David Sharpe, please
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 12:50 BST (UK) »

David sharpe christened 14/7/1822 Wickhambrook suffolk father John Sharpe mother Elizabeth


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Re: Lookup & Info for David Sharpe, please
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 12:52 BST (UK) »

1841??

1841 HO107/1033/11 Folio 21 Page 6
Wickambrook, Suffolk
John Sharp 55 Ag Lab Y
Elizabeth 45 Y
David 15 Y
Ann 11 Y

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Re: Lookup & Info for David Sharpe, please
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 14:19 BST (UK) »

Thanks for responding CatOne & Slaw, much appreciated.

I am hoping this is my David Sharpe. Certainly the census records I have are within a few years of the baptism entry. I have since found an entry of a possible death on the GRO Index for April - June 1883:

Sharp David 63 Ely 3b 364.

Again the age is slightly adrift. I will order the certificate to see who the informant was and the place of death. If this is the David I am looking for, he should still appear on the 1881 census. Huh


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Re: Lookup & Info for David Sharpe, please
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 16:49 BST (UK) »

I think hes under John D Sharp in 1881 RG11/1685 Folio 25 Page 14

Could it be him?

Catherine

hhhmmm wrong age, not sure now.... same birthplace, daughter Julia, son Samuel but dates out Undecided


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Re: Lookup & Info for David Sharpe, please
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 16:55 BST (UK) »

This would seem to be the marriage for the above John/David, whether its yours or not Undecided

David Sharp Sept 1873 Ely Vol 3b Page 940
Bride - Ann Cross or Sarah Ann Cross


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Re: Lookup & Info for David Sharpe, please
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 18:12 BST (UK) »

Hi Catherine

I'm not sure he's the David Sharpe I'm looking for as he married Hannah Willis in 1867 and she is shown as his wife in 1871.

Thanks for looking anyway.

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Re: Lookup & Info for David Sharpe, please
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 09 April 08 00:31 BST (UK) »

Hi,

Hannah may have died,

Death
Hannah SHARPE age: 28 Dec Q 1872 Ely v.3b p.355

then David could have remarried.

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Re: Lookup & Info for David Sharpe, please
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 09 April 08 11:39 BST (UK) »

Hi Daisy

Thanks for finding that out. Shocked

If this is the case then David may well have remarried again, so apologies to Catherine. Wink

This is not the first time I have come across a relative having married 3 or more times. Our ancestors certainly didn't hang around did they. Grin

If anyone can find them on the 1881 census, it would be much appreciated.

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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 09 April 08 12:22 BST (UK) »

Talk about confusing! Huh

I will definitely order the death certificate for Hannah Sharpe, to confirm.

I then decided to follow Catherine's lead regarding the possible re-marriage of David. Free BMD shows an entry for David Sharp (without the "e") for the Sep qtr 1873 in Ely 3b 355, the possible bride being either Ann Cross or Sarah Ann Cross. However, there is another entry for David Sharpe for the Dec qtr 1873 in Risbridge 4a 890, the possible bride being either Maria Phillips or Julia Webb.

Risbridge registration district contains the sub-district of Wickhambrook, where David is originally from!

So it would appear we are looking for David on the 1881 census, aged approx 57 - 61. His wife could be either Ann, Sarah Ann, Maria or Julia. The known children who should appear would be, Emma, aged 16, Julia, aged 13 and David aged 11.

I have ordered the death certificate for 1883, so hopefully that will give me an address and an informant which can be tied to one of the ladies mentioned above, Fingers crossed.

I really do appreciate your efforts so far.

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Re: Lookup & Info for David Sharpe, please
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 09 April 08 15:43 BST (UK) »

The 2nd David you found appears to have married Julia and is in the Risbridge district here - RG11/1821 Folio 79 Page 36 - Duddery Road, Haverhill, Essex. He is 28, a Cloth Cutter born Haverhill and she is 27/9 also born Haverhill.

In 1891, Ann is now a widow and son John Sharp is now shown as John D, so possibly they were both officially "John David", but yours was known as David to avoid confusion with his father John.....

Daughter Julia appears to have married a George Lee in 1890 -

George Lee 22 Brickmaker Gilgal Littleport
Julia 22 Blue Boar
+ lodger Wiliam Peckett age 72
Littleport Road, Brick Kiln Cottage, Ely St Mary Cambs
1891 RG12/1298 Folio 17 Page 1

I think the 1901 census ties the Cross/Sharpes together, although Ann seems to have gained a few years (40 in 1881, 44 in 1891 and 65 in 1901!), but if her son in law completed the census then he could have got the age wrong I suppose Undecided

1901 RG13/1546 Folio 9 Page 9
Shippea Hill, Ely Trinity, Cambs
Christopher Newell 27 Teamster? on farm ("horse" written afterwards) Cambs Sebastapol
Louisa 23 Ely Trinity
Anne Sharpe widow mother in law 65 Ely Trinity
Albert Cross nephew 14 Ordinary Ag Lab Cambs Prickwillow

Marriage -
Louisa Sharpe March 1901 Vol 3b Page 707
Groom - Christopher Newell

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Re: Lookup & Info for David Sharpe, please
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 09 April 08 20:29 BST (UK) »

Hi Cat

You may well be right regarding the 1881 census, however, the ages & names do differ somewhat:

David Sharpe 47 (1871); John D Sharp 50 (1881)
Samuel Sharpe 8 (1871); Samuel Sharp 20 (1881)
Julia Sharpe 3 (1871); Julia Sharp 16 (1881)
David Sharpe 1 (1871) John Sharp 12 (1881)

As I said earlier, David's death cert for 1883 may yield some answers.

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Re: Lookup & Info for David Sharpe, please (COMPLETED)
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 16 April 08 18:07 BST (UK) »

Just an update.

I now have the death certificate for David Sharpe. The informant was Ann Sharpe and the address where he died was Shippea Hill. This ties in directly with the 1881 census information CatOne kindly found even if some of the names and ages were different. I think the Enumerator had a funny 5 minutes. Grin

Many thanks to you all for your help. Much appreciated.

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Re: Lookup & Info for David Sharpe, please (COMPLETED)
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 17 April 08 10:25 BST (UK) »

Glad you managed to resolve the puzzle with the death certificate. Thats the trouble with the censuses, some of our ancestors seemed to like changing their name, age, place of birth on each census!! Roll Eyes

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