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Thomas Young/Thomas Henry Young
« on: Tuesday 08 April 08 13:36 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

I have now discovered that our Thomas was born in Hereford abt 1853/4.
We were suspicious of this in the beginning then we found the one in Shropshire. wE now know shropshire is a no go so are concetrating on Hereford.
I wondered if anyone could discover a birth for a Thomas Henry Young(Thomas) in Hereford abt this date.  His father is another Thomas Young we know this from his marriage certificate to Emma Wells.
On all census he is known as plain Thomas, but family knew him as Thomas Henry and on his wifes death certificate he is also Thomas Henry . Any help would be appreciated we have tried all census reports for that area and have come up with nothing apart from Thomas Young in 1871 working as a servant aged 15 yrs  in Herefordshire. Whether this is right remains to be seen as this means he was born later than census tells us.

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« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 14:03 BST (UK) »
Hiya Eise

What was Thomas seniors profession on the marriage certificate? we might be able to track the family that way

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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 08 April 08 18:37 BST (UK) »
Sorry I thought I said he was given as a mechanic.  I have treid endless sites, census BMD but no joy.  I wondered as on some BMD Worcester is given as Hereford dist maybe that would be a way to go bu this is even harder. I have found a birth 1852 Thomas Henry Young (Which is the name his family knew him by) Sept Qtr 1852 Vol 6c; Pg. 240 Worcester - hereford and Worcerstershire; Will have to think about that;  i can get no follow ups on this birth either  - eise
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Re: Thomas Young/Thomas Henry Young
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 09 April 08 10:36 BST (UK) »
Hiya Eise

If I am looking at the right Thomas are these the right details?

In 1881 Caravan Market Square Stony Stratford West, Buckinghamshire

Thomas Young 27 M head b Herefordshire artiste
Emma Young 26 M wife b Bradford, Yorkshire actress
Blanche Young 8m dau b Atherstone, Warwickshire

RG11/1539 Folio 27 Page 49

In 1891 in travelling van on waste ground Sutton in Ashfield Nottinghamshire

Thomas Young 38 M head b Herefordshire professional comedian
Emma Young 34 M wife b bedfordshire professional comedianne
Blanche Young 11 dau b Atherstone
Victor Young 9 son b Swadlincote
Margaret E Young 7 dau b Horncastle

RG12/2652 Folio 118 Page 54

I wonder if it might be worth putting a post on Travelling People board?

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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 09 April 08 10:42 BST (UK) »
Who are the witnesses to his marriage....any clues as to other family members there?

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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 09 April 08 10:53 BST (UK) »
The only one I can see in 1871 who could be a possibility is 18 b Shoreditch Middlesex whos father Thomas is a carman

RG10/476 Folio 47 Page 40
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« Reply #6 on: Friday 18 April 08 18:07 BST (UK) »
Thank you willow,

I will look that up but i think it may be too close to london to be ours, however one never can tell and carman could be mechanic;  Eise
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 18 April 08 18:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Carol,

The witness's make hard reading.  One is Emmas sister i believe, Margaret Wells.
the other is very difficult to transcribe.  It could be anything but it deifinatly isnt young or Wells.
It isnt a name i am familiar with among our family names either.  I will have to get it transcribed properly   eise
 
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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 19 April 08 08:00 BST (UK) »
Eise

Can you scan the portion of the cert here(or on the Common Room board) that has the witnesses on,and we can all put in our two pennyworth  Grin

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Re: Thomas Young/Thomas Henry Young
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 20 April 08 14:03 BST (UK) »
I will try Willow i am, not too good at this sort of thing.  wait for a while until i can get help.  eise

And Willow you have the right family - Thomas was in Stony strstford with ou family travelling theatre - beleive me i amintouch with that many of thses show people sites and am at presnt talking to someone who may ge tthem into a magazine as we now have proof who they are.  But Thomas remains a mystery, why would he say he was born in hereford if he wasnt?  one never knows eh!

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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 20 April 08 22:23 BST (UK) »
Hiya Eise

I might be worth the cost of the certificate for the birth in 1862 to see if it is a match. The enumerator can only put what hes told on the census so maybe Thomas believed he was born in Herefordshire - its strange that he doesnt name a town though

Have you seen Blanche in the 1901 census?

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