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mike175
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I have found 2 conflicting sets of christening records in the IGI, for the chidren of Charles and Elizabeth Wheat; Mary Wheat 1 Jun 1783, and Ann Wheat 23 Jul 1786.
Both are described as "Extracted birth or christening record", but 1 set is for the parish of Hope, Derbyshire, the other for Hartington, about 20 miles away I believe.
Can anyone help or suggest how I can find which is correct?
Mike.
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Bill749
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Hi Mike
At the risk of stating the obvious, probably the only way to check is to look at the original registers for both parishes - if they are, as the IGI says, extracted records, there should be film numbers on the records for the original registers, which you could ask for at your nearest LDS family history centre.
Bill
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spendlove
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Hi Mike,
I usually use Hugh Wallis's site, to cut out Patron Submitted items, however this
was last updated 2002 and in your case this does not help because both records
appear under a C batch number which is surposed to represent Baptisms from
original records.
The Results you get for Hartington have a batch number C054512, on the results
page, also a source call number if you click on this it says the records are from
Hartington Parish Registgers 1610-1968. So these must be transcribed from the
actual Parish Registers. This batch number must have been added to IGI since
2002 because Wallis does not show this, he only has C054511 1813-1868 which are
Bishops Transcripts.
The results which appear for Hope batch number C135864, on the results page
shows no source call number - this is of great concern and you have to ask
why does it not show where the records are from? Is this an error, patron submitted or
what?
Perhaps a question to LDS is in order, unless someone else can help.
Perhaps you are like myself and are unable to travel to the nearest LDS office to
order and look at the original films.
Would be very interested to know what you find out.
Good Luck
Spendlove.
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mike175
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Thanks for the suggestions. Yes, I guess will have to collect together all my queries and take a trip to the nearest LDS centre some day, Bill. But it will have to go on the wish list for now, along with a hundred other things 
Spendlove,
I think Hartington is more likely, as it's not far from Earl Sterndale, where the couple were married, and the Hope batch shows most of the surnames in brackets, eg. <Wheat>, which makes me wonder if there is an error there 
I think I'll assume Hartington for now, with a cautionary memo about Hope. Meanwhile I'll send a query to LDS.
Thanks for your help. I'll let you know what I find out. 
Mike.
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omskirk
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From Vital records.
Mary Wheat 1/6/1783
parents
Charles & Elizabeth.
recorded in Hope, Derbyshire
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spendlove
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Hi Ormskirk,
Can you please explain what you mean by Vital Records, and where you obtained the
information from? The same record also appears in the Hartington Parish Church Records.
Any help would be appreciated I realy need to understand this entry as it appears
twice on the IGI under different batch numbers, both of which appear to be from
actual records and not Patron Submitted.
Regards
Spendlove
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omskirk
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Dear Spendlove,
Vital records are published by the Mormons in the form of a 16 CD set, they often seem to have records that don't appear anywhere else, a sort of odds & ends box.
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spendlove
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Hi Ormskirk,
Thanks for that.
However the problem still exists i.e. the same record in listed in Hartington Parish Church Records and is also show as an entry for Hope.
Expect it is necessary to look at the original records for both Churches to see
which church the entry actually appeard in.
Spendlove.
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pharmakon
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Other names exhibit the same peculiarities. I would expect that the Hope one is spurious but obviously you'll now feel bound to check.
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mike175
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Hi all,
I think I may now have the answer, thanks to a PM from a member who has very kindly offered to look at the LDS film for me.
It seems that Hope was the Mother church for the area, and Hartington was a subsidiary or daughter church. So, I imagine the IGI has replicated the entries, not understanding the heirarchy. Maybe the Bishop's Transcripts covered the whole Mother Church area, and that is why they appear in the Hope parish?
Hartington would seem to be the actual parish where the christenings took place, but I'll post again when/if I get more details.
Thanks for all your contributions.
Mike.
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mike175
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I just received a reply from the LDS, stating:
" . . . the batch showing Hope, Derby, England is in error. This is a known problem and this is being worked on . . . . "
Mike.
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spendlove
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Hi Mike,
Thanks very much for letting us all know that the Hope entries under Batch number
C135864 are incorrect.
You now know that Hartington area is where you should be looking.
Good Luck
Spendlove
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Checked Hartington ( Chapelery of Earl Sterndale) Parish register film No 1041011 at the LDS library
Found Marriage for the children parents 11 July 1782. Charles Wheate to Elizabeth Fern by Lic
The children are not found on the baptism register from 1765 to 1790.
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spendlove
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Hi Bill,
This could be another error by IGI.
They have Batch No. M061603 with source call 1041011 listed as records from 1765-1800
for Earl Sterndale which show the marriage of Wheate/Fern. However the Parish Church
of St. Michael was not built until 1828.
Earl Sterndale is 5 miles South of Buxton.
The Wheate Children are recorded as being Bpt. on Batch Number C054512 with a source call number 1041012 listed as records from Hartington Parish Registers 1610-1968.
Hartington, is in the Hundred of Wirksworth and is about 5miles South West of Bakewell.
At the moment it looks as if they have an incorrect Parish - Earl Sterndale listed on 1041011 this, when they have made their corrections, could well turn out to be marriages
at Hartington.
I am not able to get to an LDS Library, if you have time when you next visit will you ask
if 1041011 is Earl Sterndale or Hartington?
Just concerned that if this is an error - how many others are there.
Regards
Spendlove.
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