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Re: Can I ask ?? .....
« Reply #105 on: Sunday 13 April 08 06:17 BST (UK) »



I know ... it's a pain when we get too many pages ... dodging back and forth !!  Smiley

Have a good night !

Annie  Smiley
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« Reply #106 on: Sunday 13 April 08 21:59 BST (UK) »

On the "S.S. New York"  Arriving Aug 10 1914   Southhampton to New York

George Red Shirt  68  Est Birth Year: 1846  born Moose Platt, Wyoming   with him is wife "Julia"  b. 1867 Also says b. in Moose Platt   Their U.S. Address is Pine Ridge, SD

Manifest has note @ bottom of page  "18/20 inclusive American Indians"

Other Names on the page are Bitter Creek, Little Bull, Foolish Herman ??  Yellow Thunder with family.

Haven't found William Cody listed on this vessel yet.

But do you think George and Julia are Joseph and In Sight???




You know I've been thinking about this ... I wonder if George could have been his brother ? and the different photos could be some of George and some of Joseph ??

Just a thought !  Undecided
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« Reply #107 on: Sunday 13 April 08 23:33 BST (UK) »

anything is possible  and probably all the bd are off as well as the English names.

IGI has a member submittal for

Ogle Sa Red Shirt  (male) b. 1871 Rosebud Dist.  Sioux Nation, South Dakota  Mother:  Good Looking Face {IteOwanyangWaste]

Similar but not exact to 1895 (pg 4 of thread) entry for a dau Mary [OgleSa] and son Good Boy w/ "Waste" in his name

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« Reply #108 on: Monday 14 April 08 00:11 BST (UK) »

For all the ones I checked,   the IGI records are all member submissions  --  no surprise there I guess  !!!  Lot's of redundant entries  but Lots of Sioux names indicated.

IGI has Joseph Red Shirt m. to In Sight  in 1882   Rosebud Dist. Sioux Nation, Washauba, SD

Did not find In Sight listed individually yet.   Was hoping to find a parent name (seems to be rarely indicated)

Re:  the Nellie found often m. to a Red Shirt  --  a surname of "Buckman" was found a couple of times.   I suppose this could be either a white name or a Sioux name Huh
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« Reply #109 on: Monday 14 April 08 03:29 BST (UK) »



Have you ever struggled with the top on a ketchup bottle and somebody comes along and opens it just like that ??  Huh .... and then you feel like a dufuss ..........  Roll Eyes

Well ... that's how I feel now .... I've been thinking and thinking about "our guys" short hair .... and then I suddenly thought ........... he had shaved his head in mourning for a friend who had died !!

Remember in Manchester and that guy died and they couldn't find his grave ... well it was Redshirt who took him to London and had him buried at Brompton Cemetery !! for him to have gone to all that bother he must have been pretty close ... don't you think ??
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Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5

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« Reply #110 on: Monday 14 April 08 03:38 BST (UK) »



Good going Lissa ! .... I can't get the IGI to work for me with Indian names !! .....   Undecided

They are all submitted I think aren't they ?? I don't think they registered !! I'm surprised you found marriages .... because most men had more than one wife !!

That site I found - said Redshirts 3 daughters all married the same man !!  Undecided
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Be who you are and say what you feel -  because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind !
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Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5

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« Reply #111 on: Monday 14 April 08 04:03 BST (UK) »

YES!!!   YOU NAILED IT!!! 

http://www.bigorrin.org/sioux_kids.htm

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Sioux warriors and chiefs were well-known for their impressive feathered warbonnets, but they didn't wear them in everyday life. Both Sioux men and women wore their hair long, cutting it only when they were in mourning. There were many different traditional Sioux hairstyles, but long braids were the most common. Men often wrapped their braids in fur or tied quillwork strips around them.   UNQUOTE

EXCELLENT!!!  and even more compelling!

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« Reply #112 on: Monday 14 April 08 04:23 BST (UK) »



I'm glad you found that Lissa ... because once I had the answer I couldn't find the proof !!!!!  Cheesy Cheesy

Now I can relax ... that was really bothering me .....  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Now ... where were we up to ??  Huh
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Be who you are and say what you feel -  because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind !
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Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5

Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: Can I ask ?? .....
« Reply #113 on: Monday 14 April 08 12:41 BST (UK) »

Great stuff. I haven't gotten any notification of replies to this, so have missed quite a bit.

Annie, I am absolutely happy to contact the great-grandson if you like. I can't imagine he would be insulted. I would be honored if someone was this interested in one of my ancestors. What would you like asked?

And Lissa, thanks for the link.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #114 on: Monday 14 April 08 15:05 BST (UK) »


Hi Kath !

Well we have Gaie's list ...... I think just testing the waters ( so to speak !! ) would be a good starter  telling him we're interested showing him the threads if he would like to look .... etc !

Let's see if he'll answer you first ...  Smiley

Then we'll go for as much information as he can give us !! ..... it's possible he may already have a print out or something .... I'm sure he's been asked many times before !!  Smiley

Annie  Smiley
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Be who you are and say what you feel -  because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind !
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Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5

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« Reply #115 on: Monday 14 April 08 15:49 BST (UK) »

I sent off an email to what I think is his address. It hasn't bounced back yet, so keeping my fingers crossed. I gave him this thread to come to, to see what we have researched. Let's see if we hear from him.

Fingers crossed.

Kath
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« Reply #116 on: Monday 14 April 08 15:52 BST (UK) »



And eyes and toes !!  Cheesy

Good Luck Kath !!
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« Reply #117 on: Monday 14 April 08 16:26 BST (UK) »

This is just to say Well done to you all. Wonderful to read. I am really enjoying this.

It's better than a book  Grin
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« Reply #118 on: Monday 14 April 08 18:10 BST (UK) »

I am hoping he just jumps on here and joins in. So,why don't I say "Welcome Wilmer" now.  Grin I am hopeful.

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Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
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« Reply #119 on: Monday 14 April 08 21:39 BST (UK) »

Welcome, Wilmer !!!

Would be so incredible to hear first hand the more personal details of this fascinating man's life....the things we won't find in census reports or snippets found elsewhere!

I am assuming that Wilmer is way too young to have known his great grandfather in person but hopefully the oral tradition has held forth!

So exciting!!

lissa

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