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Gaie
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It's shocking, but wait till you see this:
1900 Census
Shannon, Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, South Dakota, District 46
Roll T623 1556, Page 24A
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Red Shirt, Head, 1848, married 23 years, born Wyoming, parents born unknown, Ration Indian  , cannot read or write, can speak English, other name: Okla Da (?), Sioux Indian
In Sight, Wife, 1855, married 23 years, born Wyoming, parents born Wyoming, other name Lami Avin (?), Sioux
Annie Red Shirt, Dau, 1880, born South Dakota, other name Okla Da (?)
William Red Shirt, Son, 1882, South Dakota
Joseph Red Shirt, Son, 1885, South Dakota
All Ration Indians 
None had white blood!!
Did they ever get paid by Bill Cody?
Gaie (definitely bedtime now 
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LissaM
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I just found that same definition of the 1900 Indian Census!
I think it is amazing that his literacy was judged on the basis of his ability to read/write in English?? When the reports of his eloquence in his native Sioux language were remarkable!!
I wonder what they were paid --- or paid in barter of some type, perhaps?? A shame to think he/his family died in poverty likes his other tribesmen!
Could he have been a Chief with white blood??
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Heres some odds and ends stuff .........
The Indian camp was visited by the Prince and Princess of Wales and suite and Red Shirt, the great chief, was, like every one else, delighted with the Princess. Through an interpreter the Prince expressed his pleasure over the performance of the braves, headed by their great chief, and the Princess bade him welcome to England. Red Shirt had the Indian gift of oratory, and he replied, in the unimpassioned speech for which the race is noted, that it made his heart glad to hear such kind words from the Great White Chief and his beautiful squaw
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E02E2DD113AE733A25753C3A9679D946497D6CF
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Red Shirt, the most important chief in the outfit, was highly pleased when he learned that a princess was to visit him in his camp. He had the Indian gift of oratory, and he replied to her greeting with a long and eloquent speech, in which his gestures, if not his words, expressed plainly the honor he felt in receiving so distinguished a lady. The fact that he referred to Alexandria as a squaw did not seem to mar her enjoyment.
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Among the prominent chiefs thus engaged was Red Shirt, a redoubtable warrior and second only in influence to Sitting Bull himself. A short while before his engagement with us he had quelled an uprising among his people, instigated by a pretender to the chieftainship of the tribe, by invading the pretender's camp with only two of his followers and shooting the leader dead before the eyes of his affrighted wife. This fearless act had served to elevate him very much in the eyes of his people, who thereafter accepted him as a leader. When, therefore, he decided to join the Wild West show, under the flattering offers I made him, his influence aided us very much in procuring our complement of Indians, not only from his own tribe, but from others as well.
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THE INDIANS' FEARS ARE EXCITED
Before starting on the trip several of the Indians expressed grave fears that if they trusted themselves to the great waters a horrible death would soon overtake them, and at the last mornent it required all our arts of persuasion to induce them to go on board.
Red Shirt explained that these fears were caused by a belief prevalent among many tribes of Indians, that if a red man attempted to cross the ocean, soon after beginning his journey he would be seized of a malady that would first prostrate the victim and then slowly consume his flesh, day after day, until at length the very skin itself would drop from his bones, leaving nothing but the skeleton and this even could never find burial. This gruesome belief was repeated by chiefs of the several tribes to the Indians who had joined me, so that there is little reason for wonder, that with all our assurances, the poor unlearned children of a nature run riot by neglect, should hesitate to submit themselves to such an experiment.
On the day following our departure from New York the Indians began to grow weary and their stomachs, like my own, became both treacherous and rebellious. Their fears were now so greatly intensified that even Red Shirt, the bravest of his people, looked anxiously towards the hereafter, and began to feel his flesh to see if it were really diminishing. The seal of hopelessness stamped upon the faces of the Indians aroused my pity, and though sick as a cow with hollow-horn myself, I used my utmost endeavors to cheer them up and relieve their forebodings. But for two days nearly the whole company was too sick for any other active service than feeding the fishes, in which I am not proud to say that I performed more than an ordinary share. On the third day, however, we all began to mend so far that I called the Indians together in the main saloon and gave them a Sunday address, as did also Red Shirt, who was now recovered from his anxiety about the future.
After the third day at sea we had an entertainment every afternoon, in which Mr. Salsbury, as singer and comedian, took the leading part, to the intense delight of all on board. On the seventh day a storm came up that raged so fiercely that for a time the ship had to lay to, and during which our stock suffered greatly, but we gave them such good care, and had such excellent luck as well, that none of our animals, save one horse, died on the trip.
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Then I presented Red Shirt, the Indian Chieftain, who was gorgeous in war paint and feather trappings. His proud bearing was fetching among the royal party, and when he spoke through an interpreter, saying he had come a long way to see her Majesty and "felt glad," the Queen smiled appreciatively, and as the red man, unconventionally, but proudly, strolled away with the dignity of a Supreme Court Judge, she seemed to say, "I know a real prince when I see him."
http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/resources/archives/seven/w67bbauto/w67bb23.htm
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Cooper : Muels : Howarth : Every : Price : King Be who you are and say what you feel - because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind ! Dr. Seuss Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5 Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukUS source - US Census Bureau http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/faqgene.txtThe Commonwealth War Graves Commission |
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LissaM
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OH MY!!! HE JUST GET'S BETTER AND BETTER EVEN W/ SHORT HAIR!! I wonder why? Must have been some very good reason, I would think! Maybe in Europe he couldn't get the hair product he needed ??
I can't find him and In Sight in 1910 --- all Pine Ridge Reservation in Sterling, Wounded Knee or Shannon
William (1883) and Nellie (1886) No children
Henry (1860) and Emma (1860) w/ sons John 1882 Charles 1890 Alfred 1895
Fred (1870) and Gertie (1875) w/ sons Willace 1902 Alraham 1904 Jerome 1906 Levi 1910
Eva (1843) w/ son Guy 1883
Need Gaie to come back and find him!
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LissaM
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Census June 30 1895 Agency: Pine Ridge, South Dakota
Red Shirt[Ogle Sa] 48 abt 1847 Spouse's Name: In Sight [Otain] Age 41
Tribe: Sioux and Cheyenne (Sioux)
Dau Mary [Ogle Sa] Red Shirt 18
Dau Anna 16
Son Good Boy [Hokrila Waste] 14
Dau Eliza 12
Son Friendly [Kolayapi] 11
Do these children get renamed every once in a while ?
Census June 30 1916 Agency: Pine Ridge, South Dakota
Joseph Red Shirt 69 Date of Birth: 1847 Spouse's Name: In Sight 61
Tribe: Oglala Sioux (Sioux)
No children with them but son Kacy and gson Gabriel are next door (just like in 1924)
I'm finding Joseph and In Sight together up to the 1924 Indian Census.
In 1920, Joseph says he 1/2 Indian Blood In sight is Full, Kacy is 3/4 and Gabriel is 7/8
For a Few years, Gabriel becomes a daughter !! and then goes back to being a son and Kacy has another dau Margarette living w/ them.
Do you know when Joseph and In Sight die??
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Kacy and Gabriel (whether male or female) keep going......
I think it's the same wife 'cause the age is consistent all the way through except for one error year when she is shown as 38 instead of 68....unless of course he had an early wife who died I think wives could "divorce" and they kept their Indian "surnames" for life in the earlier days rather than taking their husbands name.
I think the Cheyenne (Sioux) was just some sort of classification on the census -- they were definitely Lakota Sioux!
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On the "S.S. New York" Arriving Aug 10 1914 Southhampton to New York
George Red Shirt 68 Est Birth Year: 1846 born Moose Platt, Wyoming with him is wife "Julia" b. 1867 Also says b. in Moose Platt Their U.S. Address is Pine Ridge, SD
Manifest has note @ bottom of page "18/20 inclusive American Indians"
Other Names on the page are Bitter Creek, Little Bull, Foolish Herman ?? Yellow Thunder with family.
Haven't found William Cody listed on this vessel yet.
But do you think George and Julia are Joseph and In Sight???
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