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KathMc
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I heard from the other Mesteth at the college. She said that is Wilmer's email, but he probably won't check it. He isn't an "email kinda guy." She suggested sending a letter. Glad to do it, but if he isn't going to join the thread, what am I asking him that we want?
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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KathMc
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I will shoot off a letter today.
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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KathMc
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Annie,
I think it could be him. He certainly holds himself in the same way. Very similar. Maybe some handy person can get them side by side. Most often, I am lucky to even be able to post pix. I forgot about the letter I sent off. I haven't heard anything back. Do you think I should resend it or just let it go? I don't mind being pushy. 
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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LissaM
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I agree it could be him in both.....posture, facial expression but could be a relative or someone from the same gene pool too. Any date on the one of the young men??
Didn't we see somewhere that Red Shirt's father was said to be white ?? Which was his motivation for trying to make peace and bridge the cultures ?? BUT that could be lore too.
He's still a mysterious!
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LissaM
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forgot to add, the article above and the photos are great!! Some of the Chiefs are even smiling!!! well, almost .........
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Red Shirt was one of the leading Indians with Cody's Wild West Show, but he left them in Barcelona in 1889 following a quarrel with Rocky Bear in France. Rocky Bear then took over as the leading Indian. One reason suggested for the quarrel was jealousy. Apparently, Red Shirt had more luck with the French women than Rocky Bear. Must have been that hair !!
A young man named Red Shirt was part of the 1870 delegation to Washington D.C - though I can not say for certain that this was him. By the time of the Great Sioux War of 1876-77, he was a rising young man within one of the military societies, an "up and coming" individual among the Wagluhe. This band had been led by the prominent headman Big Mouth, until he was shot and killed by Spotted Tail; Big Mouth's brother Blue Horse by the mid-1870s was the most influential member of this band. In the fall of 1876 as the army dismounted and disarmed the agency bands, Blue Horse was arrested by Gen. Mackenzie for not turning in northern Indians slipping into his village. After that, Blue Horse seems to disappear from prominence, perhaps he stepped back from active political engagement. In this vacuum, several young men emerged as leaders among the Wagluhe, most prominently American Horse and Three Bears. Red Shirt seems to be most closely associated with Three Bears during this period; perhaps kind of his lieutenant.
Given his association with the Loafers, I doubt that Red Shirt was at the Little Bighorn, though we should note that a number of young men had gone out independently from their band. In later years, newspaper articles about the Wild West Show specifically stated that Red Shirt was at the Little Bighorn, but that should be taken with some skeptism, given the Buffalo Bill Cody PR machine. No doubt it was good for business for the Indians in his show to be advertised as having been at the LBH. But the possibility cannot be entirely discounted without further research.
Red Shirt became leader of a small band of Loafers on Pine Ridge about 1878-79. In his 1923 interview, he showed commissioners his chief's certificate dated 1879 signed by the Commissioner of Indian Affairs and the Secretary of the Interior. In 1880, he traveled to Carlisle Barracks and on to Washington D.C. with Red Cloud.
Red Shirt's leadership role appears to have only lasted a few years. He soon became involved with the Wild West Shows which seems to be his main economic support for the next several decades. We will have to do some more research into his final decade to know if he became involved again at all in Oglala politics Ephraim Dickinson
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Cooper : Muels : Howarth : Every : Price : King Be who you are and say what you feel - because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind ! Dr. Seuss Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5 Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukUS source - US Census Bureau http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/faqgene.txtThe Commonwealth War Graves Commission |
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LissaM
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uh...pass that pint.............. of haagen daz that is 
I still like looking at him in his full Sioux regalia. What a noble and mysterious man! I think he looks like he is wishing he could take his shoes and vest coat off! LOL!!
Another amazing photo find ..... he certainly rarely missed a photo op, did he ?
Maybe the footnote writer took a cue from these threads ??
Tell me about the slow part ...sometimes I forget what I was starting out to do!
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