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KarenM
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My Grandpa Stanley has the hanky in his pocket
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Hello there,
I have recently found out that my gr gr grandfather came to Canada to visit his daughter. While he was in Canada apparently, he was caught with a whiskey still and sent to prison 
I have him arriving in 1909 on the Empress of Ireland and then I find him crossing the border at Niagara Falls New York in transit to go home to England in 1918 (with $500.00 in his pocket  I don't even have that much money in my pocket when I cross the border  )
His name is William Ball and he was born in Birmingham England in c1855. His wife is Sarah and she is back in Birmingham the whole time.
I am assuming this would have taken place in Brantford, Ontario as that is where my gr grandmother, Elizabeth Stanley was living.
I havn't been able to find him in the 1911 census. His daughter goes back to Birmingham for the war and returns to Canada in 1918, so I don't know if he's stayed in Ontario the whole time, was in jail the whole time???
I'm not sure if this was a provincial offence or a federal offence at the time 
Thanks for any help.
Karen
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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester
Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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KarenM
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I've just talked to the archivist at the Ontario Archives in Toronto and they have the following books
Ref. Code - RG22-1104-0-3
Bar Code - 322012
Title: Brant County Surpreme Court Proceduure Book
and
Ref. Code - RG22-1155 Volume 1
Bar Code - 322008
Brant County Procedure Book
So, apparently names are indexed in those books and I can look at them and see if my Willimam Ball is in there, which if he is, it will have a case number and I can order his court file 
Hmmm, when can I get to Toronto
Karen
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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester
Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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Janice M
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Hi Karen,
I checked "Judgements of the Supreme Court of Canada" site, but couldn't find him.
http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/scc-eliisa/?language=en
Janice
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J.J.
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Yeah, it sounds as though it was a temporary jail ...thought you wanted to find a trail of record... wouldn't it say in the records if he went on to a larger facility?
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Nevermind, just hit the link & the records are only 1939-1958 anyway....
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J.J.
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Hope that you can find something...I wonder if it made the newspapers...
Seems rather odd that he would be in the possession of a still while visiting his daughter...i wonder it belonged to others and if he just got caught "holding the bag" so to speak....Goofy ancestors...
I guess they were discussing prohibition quite early in the century, but even so, a sentence of almost a decade would have been rather steep wouldn't it?
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There you go, you made me read...
"An official, but non-binding, federal referendum was held in 1898 on prohibition, receiving 51.3% for and 48.7% against prohibition on a voter turnout of 44%. Prohibition had a majority in all provinces except Quebec, where a strong 81.10% voted against it [1]. Despite this electoral majority, Prime Minister Wilfrid Laurier's government chose not to introduce a federal bill on prohibition in Parliament, mindful of the strong antipathy in Quebec.
As a result, Canadian prohibition was instead enacted through laws passed by the provinces during the first twenty years of the 20th century. Prince Edward Island was the first to bring in prohibition in 1900. Alberta and Ontario passed prohibition laws in 1916. Quebec passed legislation in 1918 that would have prohibited alcohol from 1919 until the end of World War I. However, since the war ended in 1918, prohibition was never implemented in the province....."
more on site:
http://www.halfvalue.com/wiki.jsp?topic=Prohibition
So it sounds as though the laws did toughen after the referendum even though prohibition wasn't in place as yet....
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KarenM
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Well that's the thing.....if he came in 1909 and stayed for 8 years, he couldn't have spent all that time in jail???
His daughter comes back in 1918, but she left c1915, so maybe he wasn't in jail till later then, but shouldn't I be able to find him in the census
The indian reserve is close to Brantford and my gr grandmother did have friends that lived on there, so I wonder if that played a roll and therefore made it a more serious offence 
Karen
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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester
Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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KarenM
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I've got an email in to an older cousin here, so hopefully I will hear back from him.
But, in talking with my dad, he said the name of the friends on the reserve was Butler, but that's all he could remember.
I tried looking them up on the census, but are the Indian Reserves on there?? It would be Ohsweken the Mohawk Reserve or Six Nations ?
Karen
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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester
Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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J.J.
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yes they are supposed to be on there.... I'll dig into the actual area to see if I can find your surname...
056-026 Tuscarora Township, Ohsweken Village
056-027 Tuscarora Township, Six Nations Indians
056-028 Tuscarora Township, Six Nations Indians
056-035 Tuscarora Township, Six Nations Indian Reserve
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some Butlers...No sign of your man in there...looked through the surname indexes, and didn't see anything close...
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/Test18.jsp?soundex=B346&sdid=4823
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