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Help with Russian immigrant plz
« on: Wednesday 09 April 08 22:00 BST (UK) »

Hi all

Can anybody please help me locate a Russian by the name of Israel Rosenthal (Shoemaker) on the ship he was on coming over to England.

He was living with his son Barnett (samuel) on the 1891 census in leeds.
I think he may have come to England between 1850-80.

Sorry, i dont know much more.

Many thanks

Danny
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Re: Help with Russian immigrant plz
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 12 April 08 08:51 BST (UK) »

Danny,

In my opinion, your chances of finding him on a ship's manifest are pretty slim, and would require a lot of pain staking searching with little certainty of finding a definitive match. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

You should instead try to track down his naturalization papers. Have a look at the messages(*) compiled by Berlin-Bob. Start with a search in the National Archives catalogue, then try the London Gazette.

By the way, how old were Israel and Barnet?

What is the significance of Samuel in brackets?

The only Russia-born shoemaker named Israel Rosenthal that I can find in the 1819 census was living with his son Barnet (also born in Russia) in Manchester. Is this the right family?

Good luck, Justin

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Re: Help with Russian immigrant plz
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 27 April 08 20:30 BST (UK) »

Hi, I found this naturalisation record on the National Archives website.


Scope and content Nationality and Naturalisation:

Rosenthal, Israel, from Russia. Resident in Wrexham.

Certificate 6,243 issued 3 May 1920.

Covering dates 1920

Availability Open Document, Open Description, Closed Until 1993 

Former reference (Department) 398077
Held by The National Archives, Kew 


If this is your ancestor, I got a researcher based in London to photocopy my ancestors' naturalisation record from 1926 (He was Italian), and it gave me a mini biography of his life.

Regards,

Darin, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England.
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Mazzei/Mazzie - Stazzema (ITA); Cardiff; Bristol.
Bernardi - Tuscany (ITA); Cardiff; Boston (MA);
O'Keefe/O'Keeffe - Cardiff.
Svombo - Cardiff; London.
Mahoney - Newport; Cardiff.
Bugeja - Malta.
Godden - Faversham; London; Northumberland.
Harris - Deal; Gillingham.
Morris - Ramsgate; St. Lawrence; Gillingham.
Stupples - Broadstairs; Ramsgate.
Lamb - Elswick; Newcastle-upon-Tyne.
Todd - Berwick; Burradon; Dudley (NBL).
Houston - Sunderland.
Gibson - East Holywell; Cramlington (NBL)
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Re: Help with Russian immigrant plz
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 27 April 08 20:32 BST (UK) »

Hi again,

Or there is this one:-


Scope and content Nationality and Naturalisation:

Rosenthal, Israel Isaac, from Russia. Resident in Walthamstow.

Certificate 4,364 issued 7 August 1919.

Covering dates 1919

Availability Open Document, Open Description, Normal Closure before FOI Act: 30 years 

Former reference (Department) 383440


Regards,

Darin.
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Mazzei/Mazzie - Stazzema (ITA); Cardiff; Bristol.
Bernardi - Tuscany (ITA); Cardiff; Boston (MA);
O'Keefe/O'Keeffe - Cardiff.
Svombo - Cardiff; London.
Mahoney - Newport; Cardiff.
Bugeja - Malta.
Godden - Faversham; London; Northumberland.
Harris - Deal; Gillingham.
Morris - Ramsgate; St. Lawrence; Gillingham.
Stupples - Broadstairs; Ramsgate.
Lamb - Elswick; Newcastle-upon-Tyne.
Todd - Berwick; Burradon; Dudley (NBL).
Houston - Sunderland.
Gibson - East Holywell; Cramlington (NBL)
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Re: Help with Russian immigrant plz
« Reply #4 on: Monday 05 May 08 12:11 BST (UK) »

Hi there Mazzie

The rosenthalls later moved from yorkshire to chester. so the wrexham one looks likely. if you let me know how much it will cost then id be more than happy to take you up on your offer of your london based researcher.

Tho it might be better if i got both copies of the naturalisation papers for the israel's.

Thankyou very much.

Danny
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