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Topic: William Henry KEMPE b 1834 (Read 1087 times)
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carol8353
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William, more helpfully than in 1861, specifies his birthplace as "St George Han[over] Squ[are]" in 1871: RG10/726 folio 53 p14 Anna 
No wonder I couldn't find them in 1871 yesterday- they are mistranscribed as KAMPE,even though the image clearly says KEMPE.
My goodness what a lot of kids  and two servants too!
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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avm228
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At times like this (i.e.when it's hard to trace a family backwards) I often find it helpful to identify children's middle names - they can hold all sorts of clues to the family history.
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George Coleman KEMPE Sep 1858 Gateshead
William Henry KEMPE Mar 1860 Gateshead
Lucy Maud Mary KEMPE Dec 1861 Gateshead
Bernard Stacey KEMPE Jun 1864 Gateshead
Morris S KEMPE Jun 1866 Gateshead (married as Morris Stanley KEMPE in 1896)
Rose Florence KEMPE Mar 1868 Newcastle upon Tyne
Frederic Basil KEMPE Mar 1870 Newcastle upon Tyne
Arthur Philip KEMPE Jun 1871 Camberwell district (East Dulwich)
Hmmm... 
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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You mean like you find another Bernard Kemp and wonder if they are cousins or related in some way?
modified - just deleted the one I had found, cos he is actually Edward not Bernard on the image!!!
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avm228
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Cousins are good
What I was really hoping for was that some of them would have family surnames as middle names - obviously George does, but as it's his mother's maiden name it doesn't take things any further.
But Jane may (now or in the future) be able to tie the children's names into a wider KEMPE family.
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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OzJane
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Morning All,
Thanks for the information on St George's Hanover Square from 1861 ... I need to get hold of the transcript from the Ancestry site
Re the map it was the 1870 parish map with the various parishes identified but there is an overlay of larger printing which I've taken to be some sort of district or perhaps, diocese name. On map Parish 09_3 under St George's Hanover Sq there is Christ Church May Fair, then the area around Green Sq and Buckingham palace where the word STRAND is included; then below that in the area around Westminster churches the words ST GEORGES is printed, so assume it may well be a parish/diocese, some sort of religious definition of an area.
You're right about names, have found it helpful over the years in identifying stray relatives. George COLEMAN was named after his mother, Charlotte COLEMAN. I am wondering if the STACEY in Bernard's name is also a family name from a female line.
The naming tradition continued into the next 3 generations, one of my great uncles was a Bernard Stacey KEMPE so the family maintained the traditions.
Indeed a large number of kids ... most of whom left the UK and ended up in Australia, South Africa and Canada. I've made contact recently with one of the Sth African lines but they go back no further than William and Charlotte.
There is also a KEMPE family website which finishes prior to my WHK but am hoping the link will one day be made.
What is immensely frustrating is that an elderly aunty told me that the family does go back to the DE CAMPO line which originated post Norman invasion but can give me no hard data .. hence my research to establish the fact from the family gossip.
Again I am most grateful for all your help and interest.
OzJane
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avm228
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Oh I see - you meant the old Strand registration district which, as you say, extended far to the west of the Strand itself (which is a road, as I'm sure you know).
The "St George's" which appears adjacent to it is a reference to the very large St George Hanover Square registration district.
I do hope you find William's birth or baptism. It might just be worth seeing whether the Bank of England archives have any record of him:
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/about/history/archive/index.htm
Hope you do manage to find a link to the de Campo line.
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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sophiebis
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Have Bernard Stacey Kempe in my tree , his daughter Kathleen is our grandmother..hope to make contact
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carol8353
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Hello Sophiebis,and welcome to Rootschat.
How exciting to join and find someone researching the same family as you
If you want to get in touch with Ozjane,click on her name in blue to the left of each of her postings and you will be taken to a page where you can send a PM(Personal message)
You will be notified by email when you have a PM back,or you will see it at the top rigth of each page where it says "welcome back Sophiebis you have xxx messages."
Do let us know how it all goes
Carol
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carol8353
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So,what'is date of birth then Ozjane
If you can wait a while for a definite answer,you will see that Dawnsh is offering parish look ups on the Middlesex board.
She has quite a few to do,and is working through them chronologically(in date order  ) but if you would like her to take a look then post a new request with LMA look up as your title.
I had Oz rellies,but haven't really looked at them for ages........I might just do that now They moved out to Sydney around 1858.....I wonder if they could be found on the ships lists?
Anyway glad to have been able to help- it's great when one of us suggests something and another has the info to be able to take it further.
What a team
Carol
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carol8353
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What do we think?
I think you have your rellie
Still not found them in 1841/1851 yet.
Have you any of the kids birth certs after 1837 to verify mums maiden name?
Any useful witnesses to that 1833 marriage,and where did it take place?
Carol
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Brilliant! That must be the family
Presumably you can't know whether William and Lucy had more kids (including any after 1837 who would have had birth certificates) until they can be found in a census.
Anna (thrilled for you!)
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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