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James Withers
« on: Monday 14 April 08 18:41 BST (UK) »
Hello everyone

I am looking for any info on my 3G grandfather  James Withers b1815?, he married a Sarah.
William Withers (son)b1840 Croydon.

Thanking you all in advance

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« Reply #1 on: Monday 14 April 08 18:59 BST (UK) »
Do you already have any census info to save duplicating info
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« Reply #2 on: Monday 14 April 08 19:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Carolw

I only have info on the son William (birth& marriage to Emily Barnett in 1870).
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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 15 April 08 12:24 BST (UK) »
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I only have info on the son William (birth& marriage to Emily Barnett in 1870).

If you have Williams birth cert - what was Sarah's maiden name and what was James occupation

Is James shown as deceased on William's marriage cert
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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 15 April 08 12:49 BST (UK) »
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William Withers (son)b1840 Croydon
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I cannot find a William Withers with that profile on any census up to 1881

I think you have given incorrect info re: William if this is the right 1881 entry

44 Myrtle St East Private  Croydon Surrey

William Withers 46 b Lambourne Berkshire marine store dealer
Emily 27 b Croydon Surrey
William C 10 b Kennington Surrey
Frederick 2 b Croydon

That makes William b around 1835 - not 1840 and in Berkshire not Surrey
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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 15 April 08 14:04 BST (UK) »
Hello Carolew

The info I have is as follows:-

Marriage Cert for William Withers/Emily Barnett 8th October 1870, William is 30 and Emily is 22. James Withers is entered as Labourer.

The death cert (1930) for Emily gives William as Deceased,Rag&Bone man.

Sorry I misled you in saying that I had William`s birth cert but I do have Emilys`.

The entry you found for 1881 is correct.

I have no other info on James Withers or his wife Sarah?

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 15 April 08 17:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Derek

William was telling porkies about his age when he married

Was Emily's father Charles and her mother Rachel? Charles - probably a general labourer?

I will wait for confirmation of her parents names and will then post 1861 census details for you in case it's the wrong one

Here they are in 1871 living at White House Nutfield Surrey

William Withers 30 agricultural labourer & army reserve b Lambourne Berks
Emily 23 b Croydon Surrey
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 15 April 08 17:31 BST (UK) »
Hi again

Where did you get his mothers name of Sarah from?

This IGI entry ties up with the 1881 census details and is an extracted record

WILLIAM WITHERS   Christening:  04 OCT 1835   Lambourn, Berkshire Father:  JAMES WITHERS    Mother:  MARY 

JAMES WITHERS   Spouse:  MARY FISHER    Marriage:  17 APR 1828   Lambourn, Berkshire

Are any witnesses on the marriage cert called Withers?  I have found an 1841 entry for James & Mary plus son William and 5 other children
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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 15 April 08 18:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Carolew

Emily`s father was Charles Barnett b1805 on HMS Appollo her mother was Rachel Harvey b1823 Thames Ditton.
Marriage1848

The witnesses for the marriage of William Withers//Emily Barnett are:-

The mark X of James Withers
Sarah withers

This may be where the name Sarah for Williams mother came from.

I have googled LAMBOURN Berkshire and it looks promising as opposed to Lambourne Berkshire which throws up 4 locations.

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« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 15 April 08 18:56 BST (UK) »
1841 - Woodlands Lambourne Berkshire.  All b Berks unless shown

James Withers ?  ag labourer - not b Berks – age indexed as 81 but see 1851 entry
Mary   37  not b Berks
John   12  not b Berks
James  10 
Harriett   8
William   5 
Charles   3 
Edward   1 

1851

James Withers 40 widower b Lambourne Woodlands Berks (does not tie in with 1841)
Edward 9 b Lambourne Woodlands Berks

1861 for Myrtle St  Croydon.  All children b Croydon

Charles Barnett  56 gen labourer born onboard the frigate “Apollo”
Rachel 39 b Thames Ditton Surrey
Emily 7 so was only 16/17 when she married which ties in with her age in 1881
Charles 5
William 3
Harriett 1

Charles Barnett married Rachel Berryman September qtr 1850 Chertsy Volume 4 page  73
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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 15 April 08 20:21 BST (UK) »
Hi carolew

Thank you for all your help.

I have from another source which gives Charles Barnett// Rachel Harvey as being married on 25th DEC 1852, St Peters church Norbiton Surrey.

Does this indicate that Charles the above marriage was a second marriage.
or
the Charles Barnett that married Rachel Berryman in Chertsey are different people.

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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 15 April 08 23:44 BST (UK) »
Puzzling - there is only one Charles Barnett with a wife called Rachel in any county on the 1861 census

The IGI has a number of submitted entries re: the children of Charles and Rachel which means somebody else is researching the family

If that person has obtained the childrens birth certs then the maiden name must be Harvey

I notice that an Eliza?? has notified Ancestry of  a mis-transcription of Rachel Harvey on the 1851 census
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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 15 April 08 23:56 BST (UK) »
Freebmd has the marriage as Dec qtr 1852 Kingston 2A 301 - Rachel Harvey to Charles BARNAT
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