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Topic: 1871 census lookup for FROUDE - *Completed* (Read 856 times)
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Not having access to this resource yet, would it be possible for someone to look up in the 1871 census (and possibly 1861 census if they are there) the following persons :
Martha Susanna Froude (my great grandmother, born 1852) and her (presumed) father Thomas Samuel Froude born 1828. If it is possible to have the list of persons for the household, that would be ideal.
I thought they were in Stoke Ganriel, but they appear to be listed in the 1871 census as :
FROUDE, Martha S 18 F Newton Abbot
FROUDE, Thomas 40 M Newton Abbot
Many thanks.
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Dear Tati,
Thanks a million. Please don't let me take up any more of your time, unless you happen to know what "inmate, unm" might mean.
With appreciation,
Alan
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I'm anxious not to take up your time. If you're still looking, you might find them under Frude or another variation of the name.
actually, your 1871 census lookup seems very informative.
Thanks,
Alan
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OK, I see her christening on the IGI at Stoke Gabriel (which I supoose you have), parents Thomas and Elizabeth.
Other children seemingly christened to same parents, same place:
John 19 Sep 1841
Thomas Samuel, 5 Oct 1828
Elizabeth: 4 July 1830
Emma Clements Froude, 7 Feb 1836
Joshua, 24 June 1838
Harriet, 8 April 1832
Francis Walter Collins Froude, 19 Jan 1834
1851 shows a family 'Frade' in Stoke Gabriel who seem to fit the bill. Let's see if I can find them in 1861 ...
(Mind you, she might well be the next generation as you seem to think!)
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I've found the Thomas you believe to be her fathert on the 1871 census:
1871
RG10/2089 28 32
St Mary Church, Devon
Laws? Bridge?
Newton Rd
Thomas Froude, head, 40, Gardener, b. Stoke Gabriel
Mary E, wife, 29, b. East Ogwell?
Elizabeth J, dau, 4, b. Tormoham
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Thanks again. It certainly wasn't the result I expected and gives a lot of food for thought to say the least.
(Seems like every time you try to resolve one inconsistency you run into another!)
Very best wishes,
Alan
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I'm really wondering where she's hiding in 1861. I can see several of the other children, but not parents Thomas and Elizabeth. Do you have the 1851 census I mentioned?
1851
HO107/1873 139 17
Stoke Gabriel, Devon
Village
Thomas Frude, head, 56, Farm Labourer, b. Blackawton
Elizabeth, wife, 43, b. Dartmouth
Emma, dau, 16, servant, b. Stoke Gabriel
John, son, 8, scholar, b. do.
Caleb, dau son, 6, scholar, b. do.
Elizabeth, dau, unm, 20, servant, b. do.
There's a possible death for Thomas sr: Thomas Froud - Sep 1853 - Totnes 5b 94
I see you now have a little drapeau français - are you in France? 
edited to change Caleb's sex - sorry!!
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Sorry, I was out for a while. Thanks for the 1851 info. No, I didn't have that. To be perfectly honest, I am presently in Prague, but my permanent home is in France!
It is very kind of you to search so much. I have also searched the marriage indexes, including looking manually without the search index, but I could only find the one marriage of Thomas Samuel Froude in 1860, whereas Martha was supposedly born in 1852, when this Thomas would have been about 24. I know that my great grandmother's father was Thomas Froude and have various indications that she was born in Devon.
I'm starting to wonder if she might have been born illegitimately : I wonder if that could be the reason she ended up in this institution, although why the census says she was born in Bristol I don't know, because I had found her birth in Stoke Gabriel, Devon, in 1852 (as Martha Frude).
Many, many thanks.
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Very sorry. I did not expect that you would search anywhere other than the censuses in question and I didn't want to confuse the issue by giving extraneous information.
I found in the FreeBMD image for births in 1852 Jan-Mar, an entry for Martha Susanna Frude, sub registrar's district Totnes, Vol 5b, page 154.
According to familysearch.org, she was baptised on 22nd February, 1852, in Stoke Gabriel, Devon, and her mother was Elizabeth (as I think you mentioned).
I have the marriage certificate of my great grandmother, Martha Froude, 21 March 1880, to Joseph Sillitoe in Liverpool., where she is a spinster aged 25.
On the 1881 census, when she is living on the wirral, she is aged 26 and her place of birth is given as Torquay.
I since received the information from a distant relative that she was born in Stoke Gabriel, Devonshire, on 4 Feb 1852, and it is as a result of this information that I found the entry for Martha Frude in the birth indexes. However, I am still not 100% certain that this is the right Martha Froude.
Of course, you are right, I should next get the birth certificate.
Sorry, if I caused you to waste your time : it was not intentional.
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I really wish I could see him to see if Martha belongs to him (he could have been married to an Elizabeth before Mary E after all - although I can't see a marriage before 1860)