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Topic: 1871 census lookup for FROUDE - *Completed* (Read 682 times)
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absillitoe
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I see what you mean. It did not occur to me that her father might be Thomas Sr., as you put it. It seems highly likely that this is the solution. This is the point I was hoping to get to, to at least be reasonably sure that this is the right Martha Froude. I will order her birth certificate. Would you like me to let you know how it worked out at least?
Merci beaucoup!
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Oh que oui!! 
Just for the record, here are the family in 1841:
HO107/229/5 4 3
Stoke Gabriel, Devon
Howell
Thomas Frude, 45 Ag lab
Elizabeth, 35
Elizabeth, 10
Harriett, 9
Francis, 7
Emma, 5
Joshua, 3
Next door:
Robert Collings, 75, Mason
(=maybe Elizabeth's father?)
All born Devon.
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absillitoe
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I wonder what happened to Thomas Jr. He would have been about 13 years old in 1841. Perhaps at that time he might have already been living somewhere else as say an apprentice?
Thanks for all this invaluable information. Do you have a particular subscription to access all this stuff? I can't figure out what to do.
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Wow, you don't give up! By the way, I like your colloquial French (Oh que oui)!
I was just compiling some of the information from yesterday. It seems as though Martha's father and mother died when she was about 18 months and 5 years old, respectively. She seems to have been the last of 9 children, born 7 years after the 8th, Caleb (a daughter apparently), when her father and mother, Thomas and Elizabeth, were about 56 and 45 years old, respectively. Perhaps it is for this reason that she ended up in the Devon House of Mercy, i.e. because both of her parents had died, although this is pure speculation, since wouldn't she have been taken care of by her much older brothers and sisters, and anyway she is already 18 years old when she is listed as being there.
I will try to find out more and get the birth certificate.
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I do not see Thomas' occupation on the marriage certificate. Joseph was a gardener.
I think the witnesses are James and Isabella Barlow, if I'm reading this correctly. Interestingly, Joseph and Martha's first child was Thomas Froude Sillitoe and the second was William Barlow Sillitoe, and based on some information I got from my relative, I thought that Barlow was perhaps Martha's mother's maiden name, but this does not tie up with the theory that her mother was Elizabeth Collins.
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Sorry. What I mean is that Thomas Froude's profession is marked as "not known".
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And also that she was far removed from her (late) parents and family, having moved up north.
I'll let you know if I have any further insights or information.
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I knew I had seen this somewhere. The information you gave me from the 1851 census has Caleb apparently listed as a daughter, i.e.
1851
HO107/1873 139 17
Stoke Gabriel, Devon
Village
Thomas Frude, head, 56, Farm Labourer, b. Blackawton
Elizabeth, wife, 43, b. Dartmouth
Emma, dau, 16, servant, b. Stoke Gabriel
John, son, 8, scholar, b. do.
Caleb, dau, 6, scholar, b. do.
Elizabeth, dau, unm, 20, servant, b. do.
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Just summarising what we have for the different siblings, not directly relevant to our search of Martha:
John 19 Sep 1841: With sister Emma Curtis in 1861, in Birkenhead Cheshire on 1871, 1881 and 1891 census. Occupation Porter. Married to an Elizabeth born Haverfordwest. Dies 1897 Birkenhead
Thomas Samuel, 5 Oct 1828. Not found in 1841. Lodging (single), farm labourer, at Paignton in 1851. Marries Mary Elizabeth Curtis in 1860. Not found in 1861. St Mary Church/Edginswell 1871 through 1901 occupation gardener (4 children). Death Mar quarter 1904.
Elizabeth, 4 July 1830 - marries a George Debrix in 1855. Can't see in 1861. In Toxteth Park in 1871 and 1881 (as Devereux or something), Wavertree in 1891. 2 children. Dies Sep 1892 West Derby registration district.
Emma Clements Froude, 7 Feb 1836. Marries a John Richard Trace Curtis in 1859. At Torquay 1861 through 1901. 6 children. Likely death Jun 1913 Newton Abbot registration district.
Joshua, 24 June 1838. In service at Totnes in 1851. Lodging at Tormoham in 1861. Marries Charlotte Bluett in 1865. 5(?) children. Fishmonger at Torquay in 1881 and 1891. Possible death Mar 1899 Totnes registration district.
Harriet, 8 April 1832. Marries Robert H Farleigh. At Tormoham in 1861. Dies Jun 1864 Newton Abbot registration district.
Francis Walter Collins Froude, 19 Jan 1834 In service at Totnes in 1851. Marries Mary Crocker Mar 1860. Seaman on board the Judy of Torquay in 1861. In Toxteth Park in 1871 and 1881. 4 children? Dies Sep 1887 Toxteth Park registration district
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