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Topic: Mary Knight 1871/1861 census (Read 323 times)
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ricky1
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Hi Bethan
1861 A possible
Mary Knight patient 18 unmarried lace make Oakley Beds
staying at General Infirmary, Bedford St Mary, Beds
Rg9/ 991
folio 51
page 4
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1871
Mary Knight lodger u/m 28 lace maker Oakley Beds
lodging in the house of Joseph Marsh or Mash and family at
12 Gravel lane, St Paul, Beds
Rg10/ 1544
folio 47
page 33
Transcribed as Kinghs, but clearly written on the census sheet as Knight
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Bethan
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Thanks a lot Ricky, it certainly is a possibility, I was hoping to find her with family so I could trace her parentage, I know her mother was unmarried when she was born, but I wondered if she had married later.
Do you know anything about bastardy bonds, I fancy I read something on this site about them a while back, would it be possible to trace her father via these?
By the way you must hold the record for one of the fastest replies ever on Rootschat 8 minutes 35 seconds is not bad at all!
Thank you so much for your help and interest
Best Wishes Bethan
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ricky1
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Hi Bethan
To be honest I aint gotta clue about bastardy bonds, I know it has been mentioned on here a few times 
regards
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Hi Bethan
do you know if and who her mother married
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Hi Bethan
Had a look on the 1851 census, and No Mary Knight on there with a mother called Jemima, and none born Oakley
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Have you got Jemima in 1841
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Have you tried the IGI? Her birth is given as 30 Apr 1845 in an extracted entry, so I think Ricky may have been sent on a wild goose chase looking for a Mary who was too old.
HO107/1751 folio 513A
Upper End, Oakley
Samuel Knight head marr 61 ag lab
Ann Knight wife 64
Anna Knight dau unm 20 lace maker
John Knight son unm 18 lace maker
James Knight son unm 16 lacemaker
Mary Knight dau 5
All b Oakley
Jemima Knight's parents were Samuel & Ann per the IGI (extracted) and as Ann in the census was obviously too old to be the mother of Mary it looks like an enumeration error and Mary should have been described as grand daughter
FreeBMD shows an 1850 marriage of Jemima Knight in Bedford registration district. By a process of elimination in the 1851 census her husband may have been John Bell, but I can't find them in 1851.
What do you know about either Jemima or Mary after 1851? Did Mary marry?
For bastardy bond information see
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,255953.0.html
and
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,264817.0.html
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Hi David, Mary certainly did marry, she was my gggrandmother.
The problem with the date of birth is the fact that I have different dates from different sources.
According to the 1881 census, Mary who was then living with her husband Alfred Emery and children in River St Bedford was born in 1841.
But according to the IGI when she married Alfred in St Pauls Bedford in 1873 she was 29, so that would make her date of birth 1844.
And as you pointed out the record of her birth on the IGI at Oakley puts her birth as April 1845, the only thing that I can think is that perhaps there were two Mary Knights born in Oakley around that time, it is quite a puzzle, and the only clue I have is that Mary is supposed to have been born without benefit of clergy(I was told this by my late grandmother)
Anyway thank you so much for your interest and I apologise if I have confused anyone
Best Wishes Bethan
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I don't think there were two Marys.
I think you have to put it down to the unreliability of census ages. The extracted IGI entry has her as born 30 April 1845, baptised 7 Sept 1845, daughter of Jemima, so she was definitely baptised and I don't understand what "without the benefit of clergy" means! Her baptism seems to have been delayed a bit beyond the more usual "within a month of birth", but it's not that late.
Her age was spot on in the 1851 census and she aged badly thereafter! But usually the census closest to the birth is the most accurate.
Interesting that in 1881 she had James Bell staying with the family, described as brother in law. He must have been her half brother (or possibly even full brother although I doubt it) from Jemima's marriage to John Bell in 1850. Jemima must have died young, as John Bell living in Bedford St Paul is described as a widower in 1861 with three children, the youngest James aged 3 born Clapham. But I still can't find Jemima and John Bell in 1851
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