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Topic: Kings Own Scottish Borderers, 25th regiment foot (Read 956 times)
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km1971
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Hi Sophie
If you read this thread from last week - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,296665.0.html - you can see my interest in the 25th Foot. I will look in a few Muster and Pay Lists for you next time I am in Kew. I am hoping to catalogue the whole of the 25th Foot using WO12 and it doesn't really matter where I start. Given that he must have served at least 17 years it would take a few days to search WO12 completely. But I will try and find when he was discharged as this may give the date of his enlistment.
It would help if you could say where he was married, as their 2nd Battalion was embodied again in 1860, so knowing where he was in 1878 will cut the search time in half. Also where did he settle?
My GG parents were married in Co Cork in 1873 when my GGF was a Corporal. so they may have served together.
BTW...they did not become the KOSB until 1887. In Gavin Scott’s day they would have been known as the 25th Regiment, or 25th Foot. Even though they had the title “King’s Own Borderers” in the 1870s, they probably hadn’t been anywhere near Scotland since the ’45.
They were a cosmopolitan regiment with men from all over the British Isles. Even when the depot was in Chatham (Kent) in the 1840s they had recruiting sergeants out in Glasgow and Manchester, and they spent a lot of time in Ireland.
Ken
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neil1821
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The will was proved 26th Aug 1881, and it also mentions that Gavin was in India at some stage.
Sounds resonable.
2/25th Regt were in Ceylon from 1863-68, then India 1868-75, then Aden 1875-79.
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km1971
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Hi Sophie/Neil
1123 Corporal Gavin Scott, 2nd Battalion 25th Regt KOB, was discharged on 17 January 1882 at Fermoy. He enlisted in Londonderry, and this was also his intended place of residence. It does not give his date of enlistment nor his parish of birth, or occupation. He was given a £1 2s 11d travel warrant (as far as Belfast only) and £1 advancement on his pension.
I tracked him over a few Muster and Pay Lists:
= April to June 1877 – a Private based in Shorncliffe (Kent) then Aldershot – 10 days furlough (1 to 10 May 1877)
= July to Sept 1877 – Private – Aldershot
= Oct 1877 to March 1878 – Private – Aldershot – good conduct pay increased from 2d to 3d – furlough 1 Dec ’77 to 14 Jan ‘78
= April to Sept 1878 – Private – Aldershot then Plymouth
= Oct 1878 to March 1879 – Private – Plymouth then Devonport – 46 days furlough (15 Dec ’78 to 31 Jan ’79)
= April to Sep 1880 – Devonport – promoted to L/Cpl 31 May – 4d GC pay from 28 August – promoted to Corporal 17 Sept 1880.
= Oct 1880 to March 1881 – Corporal - Devonport then Fermoy (from Dec 1880)
= April to Sep 1881 – Corporal – Devonport – Corporal’s pay increased from 1s 4d to 1s 8d per day on 1st July 1881. He would have also received his 4d a day GC pay. A note says “ This NCO draws pay at 1s 9d a day under provision of Rl Wt (Royal Warrant?) 25 June 1881” It also has ‘Band’ written in red ink. This is the only reference to him being in the band.
I will try and find his enlistment sometime.
Ken
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kcairns
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Hi Sophie,
I believe we have a common relative somewhere along the line but I'm unsure of exactly how.
I have a Christina Mills ( nee Scott ) who in 1885 on her death record is listed as dying at 103 Cubie Street.
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regqueenie
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Hello, I am new to this site Please bear with me if I get 'lost' and cant find your replies. If there are replies and I dont see them (find it hard to manouvre my way round this site)...can you e-mail me Mod edit....Email removed to prevent spam!because this way I will at least see them!
I have a relative called JAMES MILLETT (b: 1836) who on
1861 census is in 'Her Majesty's 25th Regiment, The Kings Own Borderers' (think this was 2/25 regiment)
Is there anyone out there who could find him or at least his army papers ie pensions etc or medals?
I know he was in Dunlo Street Ireland, parish of Kilcloony on 1901 census in Ireland as some children born there in 1877.79 and 1882. Can anyone help? Thanks, Regina 
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km1971
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Hi Regina
My GGF served with the 25th Regiment in the 1870s. They were in Co Cork in 1874 and he settled there in about 1878. James Mullett probably did not win any medals as I suspect he was discharged before the battalion left for Afghanistan.
If you cannot get to Kew you will have to wait for Findmypast to put surviving records online (due 2011). If he served the full 12 years he should have recieved a pension. I have some copies of the muster books for the 25th Foot from that period and will look for him.
RC will send you an email that a post has been added to this thread, some peoplel do not need to email you separately. You should bookmark/save his page as a favorite. Then you can find the thread very easily.
Ken
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regqueenie
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Hello Ken
How wonderful, a reply! and when RC sent me ane-mail, I clicked on the blue writing below and it took me straight to this page. I will look how to 'Bookmark' so as to find you again..please do not think me ignorant of your messages in the future, I will be trying to locate you!?
My Great Grandfather James Millett (b:1836) was I believe in Devizes, Wiltshire in Octbober 1874, 'widowed' and a Pensioner' when he married a Mary Jane Owen (b: 1851) -
by September 1875, he was an 'Assistant' at the Wiltshire County Asylum. I cannot trace him in 1881 and assume he was in Ireland in Dunlo Street Ireland as he had a daughter in 1877 and one in 1879 and a son again in 1882 an Edward James Millett. So Ken I think he must have left the army before the time your Great Grandfather went to Cork.?
By 1901 I can find a James Millett (b:1834) in Dunlo, Galway living with the Bannerton family and the Hollywood family as a 'Pensioner' and I think there's a 1911 record of him again in Galway with another family and still Pensioner.
I think his first wife must have been Irish (the Catherine Millett b:1835 on the 1861 census in Frimley Farnham Aldershot) because no trace of James in 1851 or 41 census's and of course no records in Ireland at that time.
One question I would like answering Ken, is the 25th Regiment is not written as this, but as 'Her Majesty's 25th The Kings Own Borderers' is this the same regiment as yours? it seems too coincidental to be otherwise doesnt it. James was defenitely a Sergeant before he was a pensioner at 38 years of age in 1874 in Devizes, Wiltshire. So there must be some records of his military history before 1874?
A hundred thanks for getting back to me, and perhaps for putting my head in order regarding the regiment. I await in great anticipation..wiggling on my chair in the hope of some breakthrough Ken! Regina 
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