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John Bottoms Ann Garner Marriage
« on: Wednesday 16 April 08 21:57 BST (UK) »
Looking for the marriage of my Great x2 Grandparents. I guess about 1820.

John Bottoms was born Upper Gravenhurst Beds circa 1793
Ann Garner was baptized Battlesdon Beds 1797
There first child Samuel was baptized Pirton North Herts 1820 where the couple lived for the remainder of their lives

Can any Rootschatter help please?

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Re: John Bottoms Ann Garner Marriage
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 04 May 08 10:13 BST (UK) »
Benzol

Perhaps they didn'y marry  Huh

Usually a marriage was in brides home parish - but I cant see it.

You have both their surnames?  Which is amazing [and unusual] - please see the Bedford Gaol page [I think the Clophill BOTTOMs are yours - I did not look for GARNERs] and also search the Bedforshire Archives site [search: blars adlib]

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McCarthy [Clonakilty, County Cork - searching for needles in the haystack!] and LOSTY [Dublin]
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Re: John Bottoms Ann Garner Marriage
« Reply #2 on: Monday 05 May 08 01:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Cathy,
Thanks for showing an interest in my "Bedfordshire needle in a haystack". I've been searching for this marriage for sometime. I know the names of all 16 of my great x2 grandparents and roughly where they lived but lack BMD details on one or two. I've located the baptism of Ann Garner. She was one of twelve children all baptised in Battlesden. Her father was John Garner and that's all I know at present i.e. no baptism or burial/death. Ann's mother Frances Fox the first of JG's 2 wives was baptised in Ampthill. Her marriage to JG took place in Milton Bryan(t). I thought perhaps Ann may have been married to John Bottom in one of these two places. I know the Bedford records are very good but I live south of London and it's quite a trek to Bedford.

I have details going way back on the Bottom(s) c.1700. John Bottoms baptism however is a bit of a mystery. I've not been able to locate it. I've made the assumption that his parents were John and Ann nee Fisher as they were the only Bottoms family baptising children in U. Gravenhurst about the right time. Over the generations some of my Bottoms lived in Clophill. What made you think John was a Clophill man?

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Re: John Bottoms Ann Garner Marriage
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 14:37 BST (UK) »
There are some Beds parishes post 1812 which are on neither the IGI nor the BVRI. Campton, which includes the much larger Shefford, is the next parish to Gravenhurst and is one of the parishes which is only available on microfilm at Bedford or from any Family History Centre of the LDS.

Campton is where I would start.

You can check coverage on the IGI at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle
and on the BVRI, which fills some of the gaps, at http://www.genoot.com/downloads/BVRI2/

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: John Bottoms Ann Garner Marriage
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 07 May 08 22:27 BST (UK) »
Hi David

Thanks for this information. Campton sounds like a good place to start. Do you have any more details of the IGI for Bedfordshire? It would make my life much easier if I can eliminate some of the Beds parishes from my research. Do you know how complete IGI is for marriages in the parishes it claims to cover. What's your experience?

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Re: John Bottoms Ann Garner Marriage
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 08 May 08 13:53 BST (UK) »
Hi benzol

Pre 1812 if the parish is said to be extracted onto the IGI I've found that coverage is complete. The exception is where there is an identical member submission when the LDS may delete the extracted item - but the entry will still be on the IGI, but not under the M batch number for that parish. And unless you can get a look up you can't tell if the member submission is real or of the wishful thinking variety

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: John Bottoms Ann Garner Marriage
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 17 July 08 00:44 BST (UK) »
Dear All

Sorry to trouble you all again.

I've found out that Ann "Garner" was a witness at her brother's wedding in October 1819 in Battlesden. Also that there are no banns recorded in Battlesden for Ann's marriage to John Bottoms. (Other Battlesden banns for this period are available). No banns exist for U. Gravenhurst for the period concerned.

John and Ann Baptised a "Bottoms" child in Pirton Herts in October 1820, and thereafter lots more. Ergo they must have married between Oct 1819 and Oct 1820. Or they were not married.

Has anyone access to the Bedforshire marriage licence index for 1819/20? If so would they have a peep to see if the couple were (potentially) married by licence. A long shot I know but before I plough through the parish records for the whole of Bedfordshire......   

I don't need anybody to visit the Bedford Records Office. It's just if they have a copy of the index to hand.

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Re: John Bottoms Ann Garner Marriage
« Reply #7 on: Monday 21 July 08 17:30 BST (UK) »
Hello Everybody

Having researched the Bedfordshire marriage licence index I found Sarah Garner the sister of Ann Garner who married in 1815. Unfortunately Ann does not appear. Heigh Ho! Don't suppose Hertfordshire have marriage licences for the period concerned. I'll have a look anyway.

My hunt is still on. If anybody trips over this marriage please let me know.

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