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mrsdoicky
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Hi can any one help me with finding The Family of Charles Halpin
My Great Grandfather Joseph Patrick born 1895's Brother Charles Halpin born 1905 born Liverpool, Merseyside, England emigrated To America when he was 20years old on the ship Scythia liverpool to new york
1907 was put on his emmigration papers
Charles .W. HALPIN
Birth Date: 27 Oct 1905
Death Date: 8 Feb 1988
Social Security Number: 089-03-9840
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: New York
Death Residence Localities
ZIP Code: 34208
Localities: Braden River, Manatee, Florida
Bradenton, Manatee, Florida
Samoset, Manatee, Florida
I would appreciate any help in finding his family
Best wishes Alison
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carol8353
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HI Alison
Are you trying to trace them back in Liverpool or what happened to them in the US?
Charles's birth reg is Liverpoool volume 8b page 120 in the Dec 1/4 of 1905.
Just incase you don't already have that.
It looks like Joseph Patrick's was June 1/4 of 1895 ref 8b page 87.
Regards
Carol
See also http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,299295.msg1816043.html#msg1816043
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mrsdoicky
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Hi Carol the first thread was my posting I am trying to find information about his family who he married and the family who are related now to Charles Halpin 1905. I would like to find his family
I have all the information you Joseph Patrick's was June 1/4 of 1895 ref 8b page 87. was my Great grandfather .
Many Thanks Alison Halpin
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Josephine
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Alison,
I'm not sure if I'll be repeating anything from the other threads but here goes.
One place to start would be to purchase a copy of his application form for his Social Security Number. It would list his name and address at the time, his occupation and employer, his date and place of birth, and his parents' names. This would tell you if you are tracking the right guy.
It looks like Charles W. Halpin was living in New York when he applied for his SSN (possibly in the 1930s) and died in Florida in 1988.
Do you have him in the U.S. census from 1910-1930?
You could contact a library in Manatee County and ask if they have indexed obits from 1988. If not, perhaps they would look for an obit, since you have the exact date of death. You could also ask if they have indexed cemetery records.
http://www.co.manatee.fl.us/library/master.html
It looks like some volunteers are working on indexing cemetery records:
http://www.flgenhistonline.com/counties/manatee/Cemetery/index.html
If none of the above can help, you could contact a local newspaper and ask how far back their obits go:
http://www.bradenton.com/
Or perhaps they would be willing to print a query from you.
The local genealogical society might be able to help:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~flmgs/index.htm
An obit might tell you about his family and where they were living as well as where Charles was buried. Cemetery and funeral home records can also provide useful information.
Regards,
Josephine
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mrsdoicky
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Alison, I'm not sure if I'll be repeating anything from the other threads but here goes. One place to start would be to purchase a copy of his application form for his Social Security Number. It would list his name and address at the time, his occupation and employer, his date and place of birth, and his parents' names. This would tell you if you are tracking the right guy. It looks like Charles W. Halpin was living in New York when he applied for his SSN (possibly in the 1930s) and died in Florida in 1988. Do you have him in the U.S. census from 1910-1930? You could contact a library in Manatee County and ask if they have indexed obits from 1988. If not, perhaps they would look for an obit, since you have the exact date of death. You could also ask if they have indexed cemetery records. http://www.co.manatee.fl.us/library/master.htmlIt looks like some volunteers are working on indexing cemetery records: http://www.flgenhistonline.com/counties/manatee/Cemetery/index.htmlIf none of the above can help, you could contact a local newspaper and ask how far back their obits go: http://www.bradenton.com/Or perhaps they would be willing to print a query from you. The local genealogical society might be able to help: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~flmgs/index.htmAn obit might tell you about his family and where they were living as well as where Charles was buried. Cemetery and funeral home records can also provide useful information. Regards, Josephine
Hi Josephine
Firstly thank you for your help I really appreciate your time.
Firstly I am on the other side of the world ie England & I was wondering how can i access the us census?
Please could you help? 
Many Thanks Alison
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Hi shellyesq
The other Link is me I am afraid
Regards Alison
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shellyesq
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I knew it was you, but I just wanted to bring it to other people's attention so we don't duplicate our efforts.
If you want to search the US Census, look on Ancestry.com. Without a subscription, you can see the results, but not too many details. If you find something that looks interesting, post it here & someone can take a look at it for you. I didn't find anyone in the 1930 Census who was born in that age range in England, but maybe there's a mistranscription.
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carol8353
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I have been trying to read the other few threads on this family but still cannot find who his parents are.
Please can you tell me- sometimes they are entered on the census forms.
Carol
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Josephine
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Alison,
Do you have details from his ship's list? What was the date when he sailed on the Scythia?
I see a Charles Halpin sailing from Liverpool on the S.S. Scythia on 3 December 1927 at the age of 20 but it says he was born in Ireland. This guy doesn't have any other Halpins listed with him.
Do you know if he emigrated with family or joined up with family once he was in the U.S?
I couldn't find an obvious match for him (born in England) with a quick glance at the U.S. census. That's not to say he isn't there but do we know for certain when he arrived in the States?
I agree that his parents' names would be useful.
Perhaps a good first step would be to contact the library and ask about his obit. This might be an easy, inexpensive way of confirming that you are tracking the right guy.
If the obit doesn't clarify it for you, then his Social Security Number application form might be the next wise purchase.
You need documentation that lines up with parents' names, date and place of birth, etc.
What do you know for certain about Charles?
Regards,
Josephine
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mrsdoicky
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Alison,
Do you have details from his ship's list? What was the date when he sailed on the Scythia?
I see a Charles Halpin sailing from Liverpool on the S.S. Scythia on 3 December 1927 at the age of 20 but it says he was born in Ireland. This guy doesn't have any other Halpins listed with him.
Do you know if he emigrated with family or joined up with family once he was in the U.S?
I couldn't find an obvious match for him (born in England) with a quick glance at the U.S. census. That's not to say he isn't there but do we know for certain when he arrived in the States?
I agree that his parents' names would be useful.
Perhaps a good first step would be to contact the library and ask about his obit. This might be an easy, inexpensive way of confirming that you are tracking the right guy.
If the obit doesn't clarify it for you, then his Social Security Number application form might be the next wise purchase.
You need documentation that lines up with parents' names, date and place of birth, etc.
What do you know for certain about Charles?
Regards,
Josephine
Hi Josephine I have the same ship down as you found EMIGRATED TO AMERICA when he was 20years old on the ship Scythia liverpool to new york
1907 was put on his emmigration papers
Ship Name: Scythia
Years in service: 1920-1958
Funnels: 1
Masts: 2
Ship Description: Builder: Vickers, Armstrong, Limited, Barrow-in-Furness, Newcastle, England. Tonnage: 19,761. Dimensions: 600' x 73' (624' overall length). Twin-screw, 16.5 knots. Steam turbines. Two masts, one funnel.
Shipping Line: Cunard
I owe you an apology his Father Was called Joseph Halpin 1871 born Birkenhead,Lancashire England His Mother was Eliza Powell born 1871 Liverpool lancashire England. I thought i mentioned that sorry again.
I have Charles Birth ref BIRTH:-Ref Liverpool 8b 120 4/4 Quarter 1905
His Siblings where Joseph Patrick (my Great Grandfather) 1895
Elizabeth 1894-1906
James 1901
william 1908
All :Liverpool Born I have all the birth ref except Elizabeth
Kindest regards Alison
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Josephine
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Alison,
No need to apologize. 
It gets a bit confusing here sometimes. That's why I like to start at the beginning.
If the Charles you are looking for was born in England, then he is not the same Charles who came over on the Scythia in 1927.
I'm looking at the images of the pages in question and the Charles Halpin who came over on the Scythia in 1927 was born in Ireland. The town/city of birth looks like Agheran or Agheron. His visa was issued in Dublin.
The name & complete address of nearest relative or friend lists:
Father: J. Halpin, Agheron, Aghavos, County Leitrim
He was going to join his cousin, Robert Fitzpatrick, in New York.
This is not your Charles.
Just to help me clarify who and what we are looking for, here are my questions for you, if you don't mind  :
What do you know for certain about your Charles Halpin?
1. Do you have his birth certificate?
2. If yes, does his date of birth line up with the Charles Halpin on the SSDI who died in 1988?
3. When you say "1907 was put on his emigration papers", I'm not sure what you are referring to. Do you have a copy of his emigration papers?
4. If yes, what do they say?
Regards,
Josephine
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mrsdoicky
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Alison, No need to apologize. It gets a bit confusing here sometimes. That's why I like to start at the beginning. If the Charles you are looking for was born in England, then he is not the same Charles who came over on the Scythia in 1927. I'm looking at the images of the pages in question and the Charles Halpin who came over on the Scythia in 1927 was born in Ireland. The town/city of birth looks like Agheran or Agheron. His visa was issued in Dublin. The name & complete address of nearest relative or friend lists: Father: J. Halpin, Agheron, Aghavos, County Leitrim He was going to join his cousin, Robert Fitzpatrick, in New York. This is not your Charles. Just to help me clarify who and what we are looking for, here are my questions for you, if you don't mind : What do you know for certain about your Charles Halpin? 1. Do you have his birth certificate? 2. If yes, does his date of birth line up with the Charles Halpin on the SSDI who died in 1988? 3. When you say "1907 was put on his emigration papers", I'm not sure what you are referring to. Do you have a copy of his emigration papers? 4. If yes, what do they say? Regards, Josephine
Hi Josephine
Thats is a blow 
Right you asked
1. Do you have his birth certificate?
Answer:- No but can apply for it & will do
2. If yes, does his date of birth line up with the Charles Halpin on the SSDI who died in 1988?
Answer:- Yes it does Ref Liverpool 8b 120 4/4 Quarter 1905
Death:- Look at the birth date on this below
Charles .W. HALPIN
Birth Date: 27 Oct 1905 Death Date: 8 Feb 1988
Social Security Number: 089-03-9840
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: New York
Death Residence Localities
ZIP Code: 34208
Localities: Braden River, Manatee, Florida
Bradenton, Manatee, Florida
Samoset, Manatee, Florida
3. When you say "1907 was put on his emigration papers", I'm not sure what you are referring to. Do you have a copy of his emigration papers?
Answer :-
That was said on the passengers shipping list that i found I had aproblem with my computer after I found that information about his emigration so i lost the website stupid me did not write Website down  No I do not have his emigration papers i am afraid.
4. If yes, what do they say?
Answer :- so i can not tell you what is written on them.
Regarding my information My great Uncle robert Halpin Told me that his Father Joseph Patrick halpin Had a Brother Charles who emigrated to USA . and my Uncle who gave me all the information about the tree (he started it and then gave it over to me he died last sept) I went right through all the information right from the begining.
So there it all is I can ot tell you anything else
Kindest regards Alison
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Josephine
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Hi, Alison:
I'm sorry about that. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but we want to find the right Charles.
Although it's probably a good bet that the Charles who died in Florida in 1988 is your guy, it is possible that the birth dates are just a coincidence. (Since the SSDI doesn't list his place of birth.)
That is why I am glad you are going to order Charles's birth certificate. If it confirms that the two men are one and the same, then I would strongly suggest writing to the library and asking for a copy of his obituary. Who knows, his obit might tell you when he came to the U.S. and where he settled.
If the obit is for the right guy, it might give you the name of the funeral home and the cemetery where he was buried. Your next step would be to contact them and ask for any information they have on file.
If not, you could always order a copy of his death certificate from the State of Florida:
http://www.doh.state.fl.us/Planning_eval/Vital_Statistics/
http://www.doh.state.fl.us/planning_eval/vital_statistics/deaths.htm
This would definitely list the funeral home and cemetery. It would list his spouse (if he was married) as well as the informant's name and relationship to Charles. It should also list the length of time he had been in Florida (and possibly the U.S.).
The funeral home record might list a spouse and children. The cemetery records should tell you who else is buried with him, who purchased the plot and who owns the plot now.
I noticed that the index on FreeBMD doesn't list a middle name or initial for the Charles Halpin born in 1905 in Liverpool. Of course, some people acquired middle names at various points in their lives, or the index is simply missing that bit.
Regards,
Josephine
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Hi Josephine
I will get onto purchasing his birth certificate tomorrow and i will let you know how i get on I will write soon
Kindest Regards Alison
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