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Earl Shilton parish register lookup - Colver
« on: Friday 18 April 08 15:09 BST (UK) »

Hi - I'm hoping someone can help me untangle a knot.  The IGI has two extracted records for a Thomas Colver who died in 1784:

Thomas Colver, baptised 28 OCT 1771, died 24 AUG 1784, son of William and Elizabeth
Thomas Colver, baptised 27 OCT 1782, died 24 AUG 1784, son of William and Elizabeth

Now I've been trying to find my Thomas Colver, who was born in or near Earl Shilton (based purely on his surname, which is local) in, I believe, 1770/1, and who died in 1828, aged 57.  I am hoping that the first of the two records above is incorrect somehow, perhaps by connecting two different Thomases to the one Thomas's death.  I am therefore hoping that someone with access to the source records can clarify what's going on.

Also, if there's a marriage register entry for Thomas and Mary around 1799 I'd appreciate knowing what it says, as there's nothing on the IGI online.

Many thanks in advance.
Mac
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Re: Earl Shilton parish register lookup - Colver
« Reply #1 on: Friday 18 April 08 23:58 BST (UK) »

Greeting’s & Welcome …Mac.

Using the resources I have to hand. ……..

An interesting Comment in the notes margin for that second Burial you have found for Thomas Colver. 24th. August.. 1784.
Father :~ William Colver Mother :~ Elizabeth.

A transcript of the Registers I have states :~
Thomas was only TWO YEARS old on death……

Which Matches this Baptism Transcript from the Registers :~

Thomas Colver.
27th. October. 1782.
St. Simon & St.Jude Parish Church
Earl Shilton.
Farther :~ William Colver.
Mother :~ Elizabeth.

The other Thomas Colver Baptism reads thus :~

Thomas Colver.
28th. October. 1771.
St. Simon & St. Jude Parish Church.
Earl Shilton.
Father :~ William Colver.
Mother :~ Elizabeth.

Now......Is there TWO Families with parents William & Elizabeth Colver 
within the parish of Earl Shilton. ?


 The only reference for a Marriage of a Thomas Colver & Mary ?
within the Earl Shilton Parish or villages close to Earl Shilton.

Reads this :~

Thomas Colver. ~ Mary BANNISTER.
St. Simon & St. Jude Parish Church.
Earl Shilton.
13th. Oct. 1772.

Possible Marriage for William & Elizabeth ? :~

St Simon & St. Jude Parish Church.
Earl Shilton.

William Colver. ~ Elizabeth WARD.
15th. October.1770.

I can confirm things better for you once I have seen the original Registers held at the Records Office next week.

MIKE.
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Re: Earl Shilton parish register lookup - Colver
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 19 April 08 00:37 BST (UK) »

Thanks for this.  The burial for Thomas son of William and Mary has always confused me.  I only have one William in Earl Shilton at that time of the right age (and I've collected as much info as I can find online about all the Colvers of Earl Shilton) and it's not likely that it's the same William because Elizabeth had a son Joseph in 1785.  It's entirely possible that there's another William knocking about, which would complicate things.

The marriage between Thomas Colver and Mary Bannister is completely new to me, but unfortunately isn't my Thomas, as his Mary was still having children in 1825!

The only solution for the two burials for Thomas son of William and Elizabeth seems to be that they both died, and only one burial got recorded.  Other than that it may have been a mistake in the mother's name, or something.  However the registers obviously contain a lot more info than the online IGI, so I'm probably missing all sorts of info.

Cheers
Mac
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Re: Earl Shilton parish register lookup - Colver
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 19 April 08 00:49 BST (UK) »

Greeting's again Mac ....

I could only find a record of ONE Burial for a Thomas Colver
24th. August 1784.......
Which would then would leave it clear for Thomas Baptised 1771.
to carry on and so match the age for his burial :~
3rd January 1828. aged 57.

So
I can only think the I.G.I. Transcriber had a senior moment...?

we'll see what develops at the Record Office then ....

MIKE.
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Re: Earl Shilton parish register lookup - Colver
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 April 08 01:03 BST (UK) »

Yes, I'm hoping that, although it does seem like they'll have had to have a series of senior moments if it's all going to make sense.  After all, if the first Thomas survived, then that means two families of William and Elizabeths (or a transcription error).

Thanks again for taking the time - I really appreciate it!

Mac
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Re: Earl Shilton parish register lookup - Colver
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 April 08 01:06 BST (UK) »

Colver Burials 1813. ~ 1891 Earl Shilton.

Colver   Peter   22   May   1814   Aged. 31   
Colver   Hannah   15   Jun   1814   17   Wife Of John
Colver   John   21   Sep   1817   1yr 5mths   Son Of John & Ann Died Of Measles
Colver   Elizabeth   21   Feb   1821   73   Wife Of John
Colver   Michael   10   Feb   1823   94   Son Of Thomas & Mary
Colver   John   1   Apr   1824   89   (Widower)??
Colver   John   21   Apr   1826   87   (Widower) Commonly Called The Old Boy
Colver   Susanna   24   Jul   1826   60   Wife Of Samuel
Colver   Phebe   20   Sep   1826   1   Dau Of Thomas & Mary
Colver   Elizabeth   12   Dec   1827   47   Dau Of The Late John & Elizabeth
COLVER   * THOMAS *   3   JAN   1828   Aged. 57   
Colver   Phebe   6   Jan   1828   11 1/2mths   Dau Of John & Elizabeth
Colver   Sarah   13   Mar   1828   84   (A Widow)
Colver   Charles   22   Feb   1829   7   
Colver   Sophia   6   Jul   1829   48   
Colver   Samuel   11   Jun   1830   21   
Colver   William   23   Jan   1831   24   
Colver   Mary   30   Sep   1831   16   
Colver   Ann   24   Mar   1833   46   
Colver   John   4   Jan   1835   1 1/4   
Colver   Sarah   11   Jan   1835   51   
Colver   Samuel   4   Mar   1836   8mths   
Colver   Mart   25   Jan   1842   68   
Colver   Hannah   31   Mar   1842   74   
Colver   James   9   Nov   1842   2   
Colver   Charlotte   20   Aug   1843   38   
Colver   Ann   9   Oct   1843   65   
Colver   Arthur   7   Jun   1846   1   
Colver   John   10   Nov   1846   69   
Colver   Thomas   8   Feb   1848   5mths   
Colver   Samuel   25   Jun   1849   76   (An Awfully Sudden Death)
Colver   John   29   Aug   1851   66   
Colver   Samuel   15   Apr   1857   80   
Colver   Amos   23   Jun   1857   6wks   
Colver   Alfred   12   Apr   1864   5mths   
Colver   Frances   3   Mar   1867   44   
Colver   Harry   23   Sep   1868   4mths   
Colver   Thomas   23   Sep   1871   72   
Colver   Jemima   18   Mar   1872   5   
Colver   Frederick William   29   May   1872   10mths   
Colver   Herbert   9   Dec   1874   13wks   
Colver   Elizabeth Ann   8   Feb   1875   11mths   
Colver   John   1   Dec   1875   72   
Colver   Alfred   29   Jan   1877   10mths   
Colver   Frederick   6   Mar   1878   4mths   
Colver   Edwin   19   Mar   1881   6mths   
Colver   Louisa   1   Apr   1881   19   
Colver   William   20   Dec   1881   52   
Colver   George   3   Sep   1883   40   
Colver   George   24   Dec   1883   23   
Colver   Robert   20   Jan   1885   73   
Colver   Henry   7   May   1891   76   Abode Stoney Stanton

As you said there were loads of Colver’s

MIKE.
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Re: Earl Shilton parish register lookup - Colver
« Reply #6 on: Friday 25 April 08 13:36 BST (UK) »

Greeting’s again Mac…….

Mystery solved ? !!!!.....  Re Burial records for Thomas Colver 1784.

There is TWO Burial Registers held at the Records Office !!!!
The second one is just a duplicate of the 1st.one but with the addition of the ages. …..

Although I could not see if there was two Thomas & Elizabeth Colver families within the Parish.

Therefore Fiche No. DE 727/3.

Reads thus :~

BURIALS ANNO DOMINI :~ 1784.

Aug. 24th. Thomas Son of Wm & Elizabeth Colver….Aged. 2 years.


Fiche No D E 727. / 8. 1 of 2 fiches.
Page. 11.

MARRIAGES ANNO DOMINI :~ 1772.

Entry No. 51.
Reads thus :~

Thomas Colver. & Mary Bannister.
Both of this Parish.

Married in this Church by Banns
By Me :~ J Ashby. Curate.

This Thirteenth Day of October.
One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy Two.

Both signed the register by their own signatures.
In the presence of :~
Samuel Bannister.
Jos. Gilson ( Parish Clark )

Other Colver marriages spotted :~

DE 727./ 8.
Page. 2.
Entry No. 5.

William Colver. ~ Elizabeth Ward.
Both of this Parish.
Married in this Church by Banns
By Me R Waddington. Curate.
This 15th. Day of October.
One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy.
William signed by Mark = X
Elizabeth by own signature.

Wit’s :~ Hannah Wyatt. Thomas Clarke.


William Harrison ~ ALICE COLVER.
13th. June. 1799.
By Banns. Wm Copper. Curate.

Wit’s T. Colver. & Sally Clarke.   

Samuel Colver.~ Hannah KIRKLANDS.
26th. April. 1800.
Both signed by their Marks Sam = + Hannah = X
Wit’s :~ William Chamberlain. John Clarke.

Burial Register for Thomas Colver 1828
Reads thus :~

Fiche No. D E 727. / 7.
page. 65.
Entry No. 519.

Thomas Colver.
Earl Shilton.
1828. 3rd. Jan.
Aged. 57.
J. Longhurst. Minister.

Hope all the above helps.

MIKE.
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Re: Earl Shilton parish register lookup - Colver
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 April 08 22:47 BST (UK) »

Hi Mike - thanks ever so much for this.  I really appreciate you giving your time for a complete stranger!

I think it's more a case of mystery deepens than mystery solved.  If the death in 1784 was of the 2 year old, then what happened to the Thomas from 1771?  Either he also died and the death isn't in the registers, or there's another William and Elizabeth, whose marriage isn't in the registers.  Looks like I'll never know...

My Thomas and Mary would have married around 1799, and given that Mary was born outside Leicestershire, I'm starting to think the marriage registration may be as well.  Nearly all of Thomas's children moved away from Earl Shilton after his death, unlike all the other Colver families who tended to stay put, so perhaps he was also out and about before getting married.

Thanks for your help anyway - it's much appreciated.
Mac
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