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Topic: which Mary Ann Bellinger is mine (Read 613 times)
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casram
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Is anyone researching the Bellinger/Ballinger family of Brize Norton?
The birth certificate of George Henry Broadist (born 7 Jan 1872) shows his parents to be George Broadist and Mary Ann Bellinger (or Ballinger, it is hard to read).
Later censuses show both George and Mary Ann as born in Brize Norton around 1847/8.
George and Mary Ann appear never to have married and there are 2 May Ann Bellingers in Brize Norton born at around the correct time according to the 1851 census:
Mary A aged 3 daughter of Henry and Jane (HO107/1731/379/3)
Mary Ann aged 2 daughter of Charles and Jane (HO107/1731/368/12)
Henry and Charles were both born Chedworth, Gloucs and appear to be brothers. (Henry born c1813, Charles c1811 both christened in Chedworth parents John and Ann)
Is there any way I can tell which is mine? Does anyone know anything about either family?
Carolyn
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Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon
London - Fox, Gill
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds,
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney
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have you tried to eliminate one of the lasses with a BMD event ?
Does one appear on a census after the other one 'disappears' if you follow me ?
Lets have a look ... 
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK |
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havent you got a kitchen to plan 
No probs - 2 heads are better than one 
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK |
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casram
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Just had a quick look on freebmd, can't see a marriage in the right area BUT there is a death of a Mary Ann Bellinger Witney 1874 Sep qtr aged 25 so looks like the other one didn't marry as I have mine in all censuses to 1901.
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Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon
London - Fox, Gill
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds,
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney
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age 25 would be the one (hopefully) shown born 1849 on the 1851 census - -f you get that death cert, the informant might be a parent whom you recognise....
course, it could be a married name ! 
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK |
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wonder who these 2 are - almost another generation later ?
Marriages Jun 1883
BELLENGER Mary Ann Witney 3a 1049
Marriages Sep 1887
BELLENGER Mary Ann Witney 3a 1225
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK |
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casram
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The first married a Henry Upstone and the 1891 census gives her dob as
c1858.
The second was the widow of John Bellinger, maiden name Drinkwater
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Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon
London - Fox, Gill
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds,
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney
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casram
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The Brize Norton baptisms show Mary Ann Bellinger baptised 4 Dec 1858, daughter of Elizabeth Bellinger, single woman - so not mine
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Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon
London - Fox, Gill
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds,
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney
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You might consider this marriage for your George and Mary Ann - the District involved, and using 'Ann' matches the 1871 census where they were in Wednesbury ....
Marriages Sep 1870
BELLENGER Anne W. Bromwich Vol 6b P837
BROADHOUSE George
In that census, there is a Boarder, George Bellenger, 19 born Brize Norton too - will that help show which lass it was in 1861 hopefully with a brother George ?
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK |
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Sorry, heres the census and transcription ...
1871 - RG10/2991; Folio: 24; Page: 2 - Wednesbury, West Brom district
George Bradish [Broadist] 21 Head Wagoner Brize Norton
Ann Bradish 23 Wife do
Anne Bradish 6 months dau Wednesbury
George Bellinger 19 Boarder Lab Brize Norton
John Kinchen 30 do
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK |
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nope, no George in the 1861 census - maybe he was christened otherwise ?
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK |
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Theres a John of the right age, parents Henry & Jane ..... right gap from Mary Ann too ...
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK |
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The Chas and Jane family have a 9 year old Charles, but hes ony 2 / 3 years younger than Mary Ann - whereas on the 1871 he was 3 / 4 years younger - so the Henry/Jane family's John is a better fit.
But why George ?
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK |
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Charles and Jane had a son George in 1860 but according to the Brize Norton baptisms :
"George Bellinger bap 26 Apr 1860 son Charles and Jane (private - died)."
Thanks for your help newfster (and Tati) I think I will try the Bellinger /Broadhouse marriage. It would be about the right time for their first child born October that year. Broadhouse is not a variation I have found before but with this family who in past generations seem to change surnames with gay abandon who knows.
Can't find another George Bellinger anywhere in the records at the right time but will keep looking.
Again thanks for the help and suggestions
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Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon
London - Fox, Gill
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds,
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney
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