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S.J Detective
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Hello Everyone,
I am seeking information about Samuel Andrews, his sidlings and parents. All I know is that he was born in Hatfield Broad Oak abt 1804.
Please could someone help me trace this family, it's proving difficult to work out, and information seems sparse on the web.
I would also be interested in any Essex family history websites which might include Hatfield Broad Oak.
Also keen to hear from any other local researchers working on the Andrews family from this area.
Thanks for looking
S.J Detective
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Leicestershire - Cotterill (Kegworth), Quincey (Hinckley), Abbott, Hollingworth, Hill, Kilby, Haywood, Brigstock, Neal, Howett, Broom, Marriott, Payne, Rawson, Foster, Squires
Rutland - Saddington
Notts - Hollingworth (Lenton), Stokes, Street, Henson
Northants (Wakerley) - Woodcock
Cambs (Wilbraham's, Chesterton, Fulbourn, Swaffham's) - Cross, Hancock, Ireson, Fulcher, Asplen, Isaacson, Edwards
Warks (Nuneaton) - Carter, Green
Derby - Stokes
Essex - Andrews
Suffolk (Ipswich) - Bodycot
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CaroleW
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You probably already have this IGI entry but it gives Samuel jnrs middle name and also mothers maiden name
SAMUEL_GERSHOM ANDREWS Birth: 27 JAN 1837
Christening: 25 JUN 1837 Downing Street Or Church Of Christ-Independent, Cambridge
Father: SAMUEL ANDREWS Mother: MARY BOWER
SAMUEL ANDREWS Spouse: MARY BOWERS
Marriage: 17 MAY 1835 Barnwell, Cambridge
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CaroleW
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Purely because Samuel jnr was christened in an Independent Church - this is on the IGI but there is no way of knowing if it's the right entry
SAMUEL ANDREWS Birth: 10 JUL 1802 Christening: 24 FEB 1803 Independent, Bocking, Essex,
Father: MORDECAI ANDREWS Mother: HANNAH LITCHFIELD
The family in 1841 has an 18 yr old Thomas Andrews apprentice living with them - shown as not born in county
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Clincher
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I've pasted below part of a message I sent in July 2007 to someone else about the Hatfield Broad Oak records:
Hatfield Broad Oak - No registers have been deposited at Essex RO. The parish guide at Essex RO gives a contact point as :
Mrs Carol Toogood, Bickmere Cottage, Dunmow Road, Bishops Stortford, CM22 7JJ
There are some transcripts for HBO available at Essex RO but they do not cover the period/type you are interested in except possibly the marriages viz:
Bishop's Transcripts of Baptisms 1800 1877 D/CR 177 Many gaps in years. Original
Bishop's Transcripts of Burials 1800 1877 D/CR 177 Many gaps in years. Original
Bishop's Transcripts of Marriages 1800 1852 D/CR 177 Many gaps in years. Original
Census 1811 1811 D/P 4/18/2 Original
Census 1821 1821 D/P 4/18/9 Original
Transcript of marriages 1662 1753 T/R 25/1 Original
That info seems to be relevant to your request except that the baptism of Samuel Andrews may be found in D/CR 177 at Essex RO
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S.J Detective
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Hello CaroleW and Clincher,
Many thanks for your posts, help and advice.
I was aware of Samuel jnrs christening details, but the street info is new  I'll have to look up Downing Street next time I visit Cambridge. The marriage date and location are new, great many thanks for finding these, I just had the year.
I am inclined to believe, until I can prove otherwise that Mordecai and Hannah Litchfield were Samuels parents. I have a child of Samuels with the middle name Mordecai, it's not an everyday name so that's a bit of a coincidence.
CaroleW could you please supply the census ref for 1841 that you mention I cannot find the family in that year, I have the rest though.
Thanks again, very useful information.
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Leicestershire - Cotterill (Kegworth), Quincey (Hinckley), Abbott, Hollingworth, Hill, Kilby, Haywood, Brigstock, Neal, Howett, Broom, Marriott, Payne, Rawson, Foster, Squires
Rutland - Saddington
Notts - Hollingworth (Lenton), Stokes, Street, Henson
Northants (Wakerley) - Woodcock
Cambs (Wilbraham's, Chesterton, Fulbourn, Swaffham's) - Cross, Hancock, Ireson, Fulcher, Asplen, Isaacson, Edwards
Warks (Nuneaton) - Carter, Green
Derby - Stokes
Essex - Andrews
Suffolk (Ipswich) - Bodycot
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S.J Detective
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Thanks CaroleW, for the 1841 census link.
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Leicestershire - Cotterill (Kegworth), Quincey (Hinckley), Abbott, Hollingworth, Hill, Kilby, Haywood, Brigstock, Neal, Howett, Broom, Marriott, Payne, Rawson, Foster, Squires
Rutland - Saddington
Notts - Hollingworth (Lenton), Stokes, Street, Henson
Northants (Wakerley) - Woodcock
Cambs (Wilbraham's, Chesterton, Fulbourn, Swaffham's) - Cross, Hancock, Ireson, Fulcher, Asplen, Isaacson, Edwards
Warks (Nuneaton) - Carter, Green
Derby - Stokes
Essex - Andrews
Suffolk (Ipswich) - Bodycot
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I have no particular knowledge of Samuel but have done some research on several generations of Mordecai Andrews.
Mordecai I c1715-49 Brought into revive moribund independent church in Petticoat St, London as a 'young man', presumably from Bocking. Expanded congregation so much they took over bigger premises in Artillery Row. Wife Sarah, children Mordecai II, Mary and Hannah.
Mordecai II 22/12/1738 - before 1820. Became independent minister of Great Coggeshall in immediate succession to Henry Peyto (can anyone tell me more about him?), perhaps around 1770. Married Elizabeth (probably Rutt) as children were Mordecai III, George Rutt, John Rutt, Edward, Charlotte, Charles, Eliza, Harriet, Frederick.
Mordecai III 1780-1820. wife Hannah Litchfield, son Samuel who might be yours, though born Bocking. Record of death says son of late Rev Mordecai Andrews. Which of Samuel's sons had Mordecai as second name?
Hope this helps
Mike
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S.J Detective
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Hello Mike,
Welcome and many thanks for posting your research on the Mordecai Andrews, very much appreciated. The furthest back I can confirm is Mordecai III who I have married to Hannah Litchfield as well, see CaroleW earlier posting. Very interesting to read that Mordecai I & II were Independent church Ministers.
Samuel's son Cornelius born Dec 1839 in Cambridge, St Andrew the Less had the second name Mordecai. I have two more children that I know of born to Samuel at present they were, Samuel Gershom Andrews b.27/01/1837 and Ebenezer b.1842 both Cambridge. I have no idea yet where the name 'Gershom' came from, but guessing a grandparent possibly from the female side of the family.
Thanks again Mike, these leads have given me a lot more to research about the interesting Andrews family.
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Leicestershire - Cotterill (Kegworth), Quincey (Hinckley), Abbott, Hollingworth, Hill, Kilby, Haywood, Brigstock, Neal, Howett, Broom, Marriott, Payne, Rawson, Foster, Squires
Rutland - Saddington
Notts - Hollingworth (Lenton), Stokes, Street, Henson
Northants (Wakerley) - Woodcock
Cambs (Wilbraham's, Chesterton, Fulbourn, Swaffham's) - Cross, Hancock, Ireson, Fulcher, Asplen, Isaacson, Edwards
Warks (Nuneaton) - Carter, Green
Derby - Stokes
Essex - Andrews
Suffolk (Ipswich) - Bodycot
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m123
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Thanks for the children's names. It looks pretty certain that your Samuel married Mary Bowers and had the children you mention but far less certain that he was the son of Mordecai A and Hannah L, unless I am missing something.
For example there is another Samuel Andrews who married Sarah Cade and gave his birthplace as Colchester. Now Hatfield Broad Oak and Colchester are about equidistant from Bocking (Braintree) where Mordecai III and Hannah L's son was presumably born, so the only reason to prefer one to the other is the use of Mordecai as a second name.
But IGI gives the births of ten Mordecai Andrews as follows, so the name doesn't necessarily come from Mordecai III.
Year Place Father Mother Possible Identity
1669 Mordecai I's father
1715 Mordecai I
1740 Bocking Mordecai II
1762 C'geshall John
1774 Stepney Mordecai Hannah
1780 C'geshall Mordecai Elizabeth Mordecai III
1786 Terling Mordecai Hannah
1786 Bocking John Martha
1795 Bocking Mordecai Hannah
1823 B Stortf'd Richard Sarah
Sorry for the alignment - it's fine on what I pasted in but not on the preview but I hope it's intelligible. Only the last of these Hannahs seems likely to be Hannah Litchfield. What do you think?
Mike
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Marriages at Braintree, St Michael the Archangel D/P 264/1/8
1784, Jan 15
Mordecai Andrews, Bachelor, of this Parish, and
Hannah Litchfield, Spinster, of this Parish also.
by Banns Mordecai and Hannah both signed
Wit: Thomas Litchfield, Martha Bush both signed
1785, Jul 7
Mordecai Andrews, Bachelor, of this Parish, and
Hannah May, Spinster, of this Parish also
by Licence Mordecai and Hannah both signed
Wit: Mary May, Thomas Tunbridge both signed
IGI Batch C067101 Independent, Bocking, Essex
Hannah Andrews b. 3 Mar 1785 bap. 23 May 1785
Parents: Mordecai Andrews & Hannah
Joseph Andrews b. 30 Dec 1786 bap. 14 May 1787
Parents: Mordecai Andrews & Hannah
James Andrews b. 19 Mar 1789 bap. 17 Sep 1789
Parents: Mordecai Andrews & Hannah
William Andrews b. 26 Mar 1791 bap. 2 Jan 1792
Parents: Mordecai Andrews & Hannah
Thomas Andrews b. 13 Apr 1793 bap. 10 Dec 1795
Parents: Mordecai Andrews & Hannah
Mordecai Andrews b. 10 Oct 1795 bap. 10 Dec 1795
Parents: Mordecai Andrews & Hannah
Rebecca Andrews b. 24 Feb 1798 bap. 25 Jul 1798
Parents: Mordecai Andrews & Hannah Litchfield
Charles Andrews b. 13 Aug 1799 bap. 28 May 1800
Parents: Mordecai Andrews & Hannah Litchfield
Samuel Andrews b. 10 Jul 1802 bap. 24 Feb 1803
Parents: Mordecai Andrews & Hannah Litchfield
Rebekah Andrews b. 19 Oct 1808 bap. 20 Sep 1810
Parents: Mordecai Andrews & Hannah
Marriage at Bocking, St Mary D/P 268/1/11
1816, Jan 25
Thomas Litchfield Andrews, Bachelor, of this Parish, and
Susanna Clapham, Spinster, of this Parish
by Banns Thomas & Susanna(h) both signed
Wit: Joseph Clapham, Sarah Clapham both signed
Burials at Braintree, St Michael the Archangel D/P 264/1/6
1798, Aug 12 Rebecca Andrews, Infant
1812, Jan 27 Mordicai Andrews
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1851 Census, Braintree HO107 1785 469 p22
High Street
Hannah Andrews, head, wid, 85, Retired Tailor's Widow, b. Braintree
Rebecca Andrews, dau, unm, 42, Dress Maker, b. Braintree
2 doors down:
Joseph E Andrews, head, unm, 25, Cooper (Master employing 2? assist?), b. London
Hannah Andrews, aunt, wid, 60, Proprietor of Houses, b. Braintree, Essex
Sarah Andrews, aunt, wid, 61, Housekeeper, b. Bocking, Essex
1821 Census, Braintree D/DU 65/83
High Street
Andrews, Hannah & Linton, Mrs Employed in Trade 4 females
1 age 16-20 1 age 31-40 1 age 51-60 1 age 71-80
It is possible (probable?) that this Hannah, with daughter Rebecca,
is Hannah Litchfield.
And that she has been a Widow since 1812.
Regards CP
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S.J Detective
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Hi CP,
Many thanks for all the Andrews info that you have kindly posted onto this topic. It's going to take a while to work through it all but I am sure it will prove invaluable and help greatly in my research.
Thanks for your time and help much appreciated.
SJ Detective
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Leicestershire - Cotterill (Kegworth), Quincey (Hinckley), Abbott, Hollingworth, Hill, Kilby, Haywood, Brigstock, Neal, Howett, Broom, Marriott, Payne, Rawson, Foster, Squires
Rutland - Saddington
Notts - Hollingworth (Lenton), Stokes, Street, Henson
Northants (Wakerley) - Woodcock
Cambs (Wilbraham's, Chesterton, Fulbourn, Swaffham's) - Cross, Hancock, Ireson, Fulcher, Asplen, Isaacson, Edwards
Warks (Nuneaton) - Carter, Green
Derby - Stokes
Essex - Andrews
Suffolk (Ipswich) - Bodycot
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