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I dont know quite how to proceed with the indexed info I have found. I presume it requires a lookup to gain anything further. I am actually trying to trace back the Moll family but after tracking them all the way from post WW2 Dover to Ely, they seem to be disappearing into the mists of time.
The family were in the Ely Holy Trinity parish.
Abraham Moll (D. Ely 1833 aged 35 - CFHS Burial Index) Susanna ? (D. Ely 1880 ) I cannot find any marriage or birth record anywhere for them. I have no idea what Abraham died of at the age of 35.
Their 3 children were all baptised in Ely HT - presumably they were all born there. I found them all in the CFHS Baptism Index and the 2 younger ones in LDS IGI as follows:-
? 1825 Edward Moll 5 Mar 1827 Susanna Moll 30 Dec 1828 Abraham Moll
Later I found Susanna and the children, after a long hunt, in the 1841 Census listed as "MOTT" , again in the CFHS site. An Elizabeth Moll aged 15 was also in the census, but there seems to be no connection.
With the trend being to name the eldest son after his GF, I thought I may have found a link for Abraham senior in Blofield Norfolk but on further investigation its seems not. So I have no idea where he originated. I have no idea about his wife Susanna's maiden name either,other than a later census recording her birthplace as Ely so I am guessing that she was a local who never really left the place.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks, Tizme. New Zealand.
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From Boyds marriage index.
1821 / MOLL ABRAHAM / CORNWELL SUSANNA /ELY HOLY TRINITY / CAMBRIDGESHIRE
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Thanks for that Sue - I have never seen Boyds or know anything about it.
That certainly looks like the couple though.
Cheers, Tizme.
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Perhaps the following questions should have been asked in the General forum rather than here but does that mean that a copy of their marriage certificate would be available from a local Council Registry Office or Church? Or is it merely an indication that the event took place and was noted at the time of Boyds compilation, but not necessarily still on file today?
Secondly, does anyone know how complete the IGI database is for the Ely area? I can find a Susanna Cornwell of about the right age but the family is in Bottisham which seems to be pretty close by. Abraham could have arrived in Ely from anywhere I guess - would the marriage records of that era show such detail?
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As far as I know Boyds is fairly accurate. You would have to get a printout of the marriage from the parish registers. These are usually on film or fiche. Availability would be Cambridgeshire Record Office, or probably your local LDS centre.
Marriages from this era would tell you the parish the bride or groom were from at time of marriage (not necessarily birth parish), whether single or widowed, and with a couple of witnesses names. Also whether by banns or licence.
Maybe anyone else looking in could advise further.
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Well if the Susannah Cornwall on the IGI is your one, this looks like the marriage of the parents.
1786 / CORNWALL HOLMES/ DAY ELZ / BOTTISHAM
and if by a stroke of luck Holmes had his mothers maiden name as his christian name, then the following marriage appears.
1754 / CORNWELL WM / HOLMES ELZ / FULBOURN ST VIGOR
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Don't know if this marriage is a coincidence.
1724/ MOLL ABR / HOLMES ELZ / HORNING /NORFOLK
and theres this one
1750 /MOLL ABR / LIGTREE AN / WALSHAM, SOUTH ST LAWRENCE / NORFOLK
Might help you to find the Moll origins.
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Hi Tizme, The entry in Ely Holy Trinity parish register reads Abraham Moll bac of Hockwold cum Wilton, Norfolk mar Susanna Cornwell 16 June 1821. Wits William Finch and Sarah Gore. Abraham was a carpenter. Their children were Edward bap 11 Apr 1825 Susanna bap 5 Mar 1827 Abraham bap 30 Dec 1828.
There was also a marriage between Luke Cornwell bac and Susanna Leaveley sp on 25 Feb 1794. Their children were Mary Leaveley Cornwell bap 13 Nov 1794 Susanna bap 14 Oct 1796 Elizabeth bap 25 July 1798 Ann bap 10 Nov 1800 Sarah bap 24 Mar 1803 bur 29 Aug 1803 Luke bap 13 Apr 1804 John bap 8 Sept 1806 Sarah bap 28 Aug 1809.
Hope this helps. Tempsford. 
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Thank you both for your interest and assistance. I have not had a chance to do much more than take a quick look tonight at the information you have provided. Hopefully I will be able to do it justice tomorrow evening.
Suffolk*Sue - That "hughwallis" list is very interesting and of value to many I should think. Interesting to note that the Batch No C011677, which had the previously mentioned baptisms for 1827/28, is not listed. I guess just an indication of 'works in progress'. In fact I didnt see Ely Holy Trinity mentioned at all.
The Norfolk area is looking more likely all the time as the origins of this line of Moll's.
Tempsford- Thanks very much for the information gleaned from the Holy Trinity records. Was the earlier marriage between Luke Cornwell and Susanna Leaveley also from the same source? If so, it would go along with Susanna's declaration in the 1851 census of being born in Ely. It would also tend to remove the Bottisham family from the equation as just another wrong turn unfortunately.
Again, I thank you both for your help and suggestions.
By the way, is Ely pronounced 'ee- lee' locally or "ee- lie" ? I read somewhere that there was a good eel fishery years ago so my guess is the former. 
Tizme.
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Hi Tizme, Yes the details of Luke and Susanna's marriage came from the registers of Holy Trinity, Ely. Pleased to have been of help.
Tempsford.
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Thanks again Sue and Tempsford for your assistance.
I am still on the trail of Abraham Moll who arrived in Ely from Hockwold but in the meantime have had a rather interesting history lesson or two on the way. The Hockwold cum Wilton website in particular has some extremely interesting information along with the early parish records at http://www.hockwold.info/History/HockPR.htm
Thank you both for an interesting journey through Ely and into Norfolk.
Tizme New Zealand.
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