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Re: Help needed to find birth of Emily Robins 1864 - Richmond, Surrey
« Reply #15 on: Monday 28 April 08 15:51 BST (UK) »

Hi Kath, Its hard to say.   But remember that Charles Junior and his brother in law also Ostlers so could just be like father like son.

I've been searching for Amelia ealmes, found 2 both born 1819 Isleworth.  One married a Thomas and one married a Frederick

The Thomas one lists his occupation as Labourer at Stables!  So they could have been connected through work. I cant find any Ealmes after 1861 0n the census's. Huh
Not sure if I'm meant to do this, but will post the certificate.  I'll do it in 2 halves, that way I might only get half in trouble! lol

Regards Chrissi


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Re: Help needed to find birth of Emily Robins 1864 - Richmond, Surrey
« Reply #16 on: Monday 28 April 08 16:19 BST (UK) »

Amelia in 1871 - RG10/869 Folio 100 Page 34 "Elmes" Victoria Place, Richmond and Thomas is an Ostler
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Re: Help needed to find birth of Emily Robins 1864 - Richmond, Surrey
« Reply #17 on: Monday 28 April 08 16:23 BST (UK) »

Death registered in 1874 Richmond for Amelia

Marriage on IGI -
Thomas Frederick Ealmes and Amelia Hearn 10/02/1839 Isleworth
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Re: Help needed to find birth of Emily Robins 1864 - Richmond, Surrey
« Reply #18 on: Monday 28 April 08 16:42 BST (UK) »

Thanks CatOne!

regards Chrissi
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Re: Help needed to find birth of Emily Robins 1864 - Richmond, Surrey
« Reply #19 on: Monday 28 April 08 17:17 BST (UK) »

Hi Kath, Its hard to say.   But remember that Charles Junior and his brother in law also Ostlers so could just be like father like son.
Regards Chrissi

Sorry Chrissi, didn't realise that Charles Junior was also an Ostler, I had seen him on the 1871 as a labourer and then coal porter on  the 1891, but haven't seen the other censuses.

Have been searching for the missing Robins siblings in the 1871; but they don't seem to want to be found at the moment, will have another go later.

Do you know whom the witnesses are on Emily's marriage cert?  There could be clues there Tongue

Regards,
Kath
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Re: Help needed to find birth of Emily Robins 1864 - Richmond, Surrey
« Reply #20 on: Monday 28 April 08 17:21 BST (UK) »

Hi Kath, I've tried to work out the names, but they are not very legible (see cert above)  any body got any ideas what the names say?
regards chrissi
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Re: Help needed to find birth of Emily Robins 1864 - Richmond, Surrey
« Reply #21 on: Monday 28 April 08 18:50 BST (UK) »

Looks like FH and M Guilleret -

Possible?

Marriage -

Frederick Hart Guilleret to Margaret Cregan or Marion Augusta Pargeter
Brentford September 1888 Vol 3a Page 209

Will see where they are in census....
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Re: Help needed to find birth of Emily Robins 1864 - Richmond, Surrey
« Reply #22 on: Monday 28 April 08 18:58 BST (UK) »

Here they are in 1891 -

RG12/47 Folio 162 Page 21
Everington? St, Fulham, London

Fredk Gilleret 27 Stone/Sawyer ........ Green Middlesex
Margaret 24 Laundress Wash Fulham
+ boarder Robert Tyrrell 28 Carman

What connection to your family though ?? unless this is not the couple on the cert.....
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Re: Help needed to find birth of Emily Robins 1864 - Richmond, Surrey
« Reply #23 on: Monday 28 April 08 19:05 BST (UK) »

Frederick is a boarder in Barnes, Surrey in 1881, so maybe how he met the family? RG11/847 Folio 61 Page 34 - 55 Lilian Road

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Re: Help needed to find birth of Emily Robins 1864 - Richmond, Surrey
« Reply #24 on: Monday 28 April 08 19:57 BST (UK) »

Well they look like likely candidates.  I've never heard of that name before.  Thanks Cat.
Regards Chrissi
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Re: Help needed to find birth of Emily Robins 1864 - Richmond, Surrey
« Reply #25 on: Monday 28 April 08 21:27 BST (UK) »

Deaths Dec 1865   
Robins  Edward     Richmond S  2a 159   
Robins  Sarah     Richmond S  2a 159

The same page so the deaths were very likely to have been registered at the same time.

Whereas

Deaths Jun 1892   
Robins  Charles  42  Richmond, S.  2a 217


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Re: Help needed to find birth of Emily Robins 1864 - Richmond, Surrey
« Reply #26 on: Monday 28 April 08 21:45 BST (UK) »

Have searched and searched in 1871 but to no avail Cry  I am pretty sure if we found the Robins on the 1871 census it would help with the mystery of Emily.

On the National Archives website there is an entry for a Charles Robins born 1847, service in the Royal Marine Light Infantry, Plymouth Division.  Date Range 1856-1872.  Could possibly account for his apparent absence on the 1861 census or of course not your Charles at all.

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Re: Help needed to find birth of Emily Robins 1864 - Richmond, Surrey
« Reply #27 on: Monday 28 April 08 21:48 BST (UK) »

CHARLES EDWARD ROBINS
Christening:  12 APR 1822   Uley, Gloucester
Father:  WILLIAM ROBINS  
Mother:  ELIZABETH  

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Re: Help needed to find birth of Emily Robins 1864 - Richmond, Surrey
« Reply #28 on: Monday 28 April 08 22:15 BST (UK) »

I would check again for 'Emily's' or 'Emma's' death registration in Brentford registration district either before or after her husband's death not just after. Would you only have looked for Emily Fishlocks and ignored Emmas would you only have searched from 1945 onwards?

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Re: Help needed to find birth of Emily Robins 1864 - Richmond, Surrey
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 29 April 08 09:18 BST (UK) »

I have found an Emma Robins on the 1901.  Born richmond surrey, a spinster who teaches needlecraft.  This might possibly be her.
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