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kerryb
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Hi
I have a John Payne who according to his death certificate died in 1890 at Lingfield Workhouse. Last week when I looked at the Lingfield parish registers I had a quick look at burials in 1890 to see if I could find where his grave was. He wasn't in the parish register!
Where would someone be buried if they died in a Workhouse? Would it be somewhere different from the rest of the population and why?
Kerry
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Theli p
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Hi Kerry
My gg grandfather died in Steyning Union workhouse in 1885 and was buried in St Peter's Upper Beeding. You will know those places. I do not! He was born in Upper Beeding. Does that help?
Thelma
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Lamper, Hoather,Trangmar,Hide, Hollingdale, Sussex
Dinkele, Galer London
Pope, Beaven, Button, Somerset
Walker, Rochdale
Simcock, Cheshire/Staffs
Burrow, Goodwin, Worcester
Pound,Naish, Wilkey, Bristol
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kerryb
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Hi Thelma
Sounds like your man was sent back to whence he came!  That doesn't really help with mine because he was born and bred and died in the same town or at least I presume the workhouse is the same town. I don't actually know whereabout it was. That's given me somethng to think about.
Kerry
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sillgen
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I think he will be in the local cemetery - probably in a pauper's grave shared with several others. That is what happned to my ancestor who died in the workhouse.
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casalguidi
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Hi Kerry
Yes, I have found that, generally, persons were returned to the parish which is responsible for them for burial. If the admission registers survive, they will give parish of residence at admittance which can be helpful. Also, as time went on, people were often buried in the nearest main local council cemetery for the area.
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kerryb
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Would the workhouse have held burial registers and that would explain why he was not in the parish church burial register?
Kerry
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Jebber
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If the death was close to a census year, have you checked the census to see if he was an inmate of the workhouse?
Just because a person died in the workhouse, does not necessarily mean he was an inmate. The workhouse often provided the only hospital care, so many people died there who were not residents, these people were more likely to be buried in their parish.
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CHOULES All
COLE Gt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset.
MONK Odiham, Hampshire.
RAM(M)EL(L), Kent.
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.
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kerryb
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Hi Jebber
Unfortunately not, its a few months before the census of 1891. However I suspect you could be right and he went in for hospital care, it says he died of senile decay (chronic valv dis heart) and he was 83 years old.
Kerry
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Jebber
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If he suffered senile decay, then I would suggest it was definitely a case of hospital care, a couple of mine died in the workhouse for that very reason. It is a hard enough condition to cope with today with our so called NHS, it must have been so much worse in those days.
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CHOULES All
COLE Gt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset.
MONK Odiham, Hampshire.
RAM(M)EL(L), Kent.
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.
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crystalight
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Hi Kerry,
I have just found out (Friday) at Surrey FHC, that "my" infant Paris Bradshawe for whom I have the death certificate from the workhouse, was buried the following day at St. James Weybridge 1841.
I have previously spoken to the Vicar there and he has no record of the burial although he has others at his church, so I presume the paupers graves are not marked and only exist on the parish burials, which makes no sense. The burial seemed very soon after death 
I was lucky because it appeared in the parish burials, including age of 4 months, it states 1 year on his death certificate.
You may be lucky because yours is 1890, Chertsey Union Workhouse records are complete by then with admissions and discharge dates (not before though!) so Lingfield may be the same  where was Lingfield Workhouse 
Good Luck
Crystal 
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kerryb
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If he suffered senile decay, then I would suggest it was definitely a case of hospital care, a couple of mine died in the workhouse for that very reason. It is a hard enough condition to cope with today with our so called NHS, it must have been so much worse in those days.
Jebber
When I first received the certificate I wondered why his family had deserted him and put in the workhouse till I stopped and thought. It must have been a terrible illness to have had to deal with in those days. 
Kerry
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kerryb
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Hi Kerry, I have just found out (Friday) at Surrey FHC, that "my" infant Paris Bradshawe for whom I have the death certificate from the workhouse, was buried the following day at St. James Weybridge 1841. I have previously spoken to the Vicar there and he has no record of the burial although he has others at his church, so I presume the paupers graves are not marked and only exist on the parish burials, which makes no sense. The burial seemed very soon after death I was lucky because it appeared in the parish burials, including age of 4 months, it states 1 year on his death certificate. You may be lucky because yours is 1890, Chertsey Union Workhouse records are complete by then with admissions and discharge dates (not before though!) so Lingfield may be the same where was Lingfield Workhouse Good Luck Crystal
I'm not sure where the workhouse was, I am going to have check it out!
Mind you as the sun is coming out I may be called out to the garden today
Kerry
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Koromo
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I think he will be in the local cemetery - probably in a pauper's grave shared with several others. That is what happned to my ancestor who died in the workhouse.
Andrea
... and as happened with my gr-gr-grandfather in 1870. He died in the Paddington Workhouse and was buried in a mass grave at the Old Paddington (Municipal) Cemetery. The family story is that he was suffering some form of dementia, so perhaps he was in the workhouse's infirmary.
His family lived nearby and were not paupers. I don't really understand why they didn't bury him in his own grave — his wife died six years later and the eldest son arranged for her burial in her own plot with a gravestone etc in the same cemetery.
I learned all this from the cemetery records still held by the local council.
Cheers
Koromo
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