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linell
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<The set of books mentioned are authored by Pat Dunn who has written three so far in a series entitled 'Britain in Old Photographs - Lye and Wollescote', the same as a 'Second Selection' and the latest as the 'Third Collection', the first was written in conjunction with the late Denys Books. They appear quite often on ebay and in online booksellers catalogues. Bill Pardoe and his father, the photographer William Pardoe, are mentioned in various places in these books.>
Hi Arlen, I didn't mean the 'Britain in Old Photographs' Series, Bill Pardoe has written at least three books in his own right, I have read them, your local Library can obtain them for you. HTH from linell.
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vcsanderson
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thank you so much for this information Arlen. I would love more info on the Pardoe family. John Henry Pardoe (born 1840) is my great great grandfather. We have been trying to get to the bottom of a family mystery for a long time and now we feel we have are getting there. This is the story that has been passed down through the generations :
My great great grandmother (Rosannah Langham), was a servant to a family called Dr John Adams (1881 census - age 20 - Wolstanton / Burslam district). We are not sure how they met but she did meet John Henry Pardoe at some point. At this time John was married to wife Jane Cannock Holloway Curnock. John and Jane had 6 children. It would appear that John Henry and my great great grandmother had a relationship and my great great grandmother became pregnant (we assume to John Pardoe but we are not sure). We think that the Pardoe family married her off to a chap named John Grunnell (married in 1884 in Burslam). We think this marriage was obviously for convenience and John Grunnell did not stick around. Rosannah's first child was born in 1885 in Burslam (Amelia Ellen). John Henry Pardoe seems to have left his wife Jane (and their children) to abscond with my great great grandmother and they settled in a place called Newton / Ledsham which was in the parish of Leeds. It is actually now a suburb of Castleford (West Yorkshire). John and Mary stayed together until his death in 1901 (or it could have been 1902). They had 5 children themselves, one of whom was my great grandmother Mary Ellen Pardoe Grunnell (born 21 Nov 1889). Rosannah and John Pardoe never married and we do not believe Rosannah ever divorced John Grunnell hence she kept the surname Pardoe-Grunnell. There are lots of other little quirky stories but ultimately it would seem John Henry Pardoe had a legitimate family (to Jane) and an illegitimate family to Rosanna. Obviously back in those days this must have been shameful and I suppose that is why a lot of this info has been kept secret for such a long time. It certainly wasn't discussed openly and we could never quite get to the bottom of it all.
thanks again so much - I am intrigued and excited to learn more!
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jandap
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Hello Linnell
Thanks for the response. Sorry for suggesting the wrong set of books, you mentioned three and that was the only collection on Lye that I know of. Bill Pardoe was my father and as far as I am aware he did not write any books on local history in Lye. He did give illustrated lectures on the changes in the Lye and Stourbridge areas throughout the sixties and seventies and was a regular contributor to the Black Country Magazine - perhaps you are thinking of these? He wrote about 'Teacher Ellen', 'The Stourbridge Lion', 'The First Hospital Carnival at Lye' and 'Early Film Relics'. He did write two books, one on Witley Court - 'Witley Court and Church - Life and Luxury in a Great Country House' and 'Two Stourbridge Locomotives' based on his Black Country Magazine article. His photographic collection was placed in Stourbridge Library.
After his death I printed a collection of his recollections in a booklet 'Memories' given out at his memorial service in Lye Church and this can be read on my brother's website:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pardos/MemMain.html
I wonder which Pardoes were in your family?
Regards
Arlen
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jandap
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Hello Vanessa
We obviously have my 3xgreat grandfather Joseph Pardoe 1758 as a common ancestor. He was the father of Richard 1802 and George 1787.
Richard was the father of your rather interesting relative John Henry 1840. George was the father of William 1828 then William 1862 and my father Bill (also, of course, a William) born in 1904. As a side line I had no further information on John Henry and yours is fascinating! So hello, cousin.
My picture, taken by grandfather William, shows my father Bill surrounded by his sisters Florence Mabel (Maisie), Gertrude Elsie (Trudie), Floss Rose (Floss) and Azubah Elizabeth (Zu).
As far as I can tell the Pardoe line goes back further, though the further back you go the less sure you can be without too much being available.
My research suggests:
Joseph Pardoe 1758 married Jane Brook 1761 in 1781 and had 12 children, including our Richard and George.
Thomas Pardoe 1724 married Mary Farmer 1722 in 1744 and they had 7 children including the above Joseph 1758
Joseph Pardoe ? married Sarah Perks ? in 1716 and had 4 children including the above Thomas 1724.
That's as far back as I can go. I can give you the source references if you want to check them out yourself.
I also see that Linell has John Pardoe 1753, the son of George Pardoe and Elizabeth Brooks. My gg grandfather George 1787, married to Jemima Wooldridge 1786, had a son George (also a Lye butcher) in 1815. This must be the same George as yours, Linell, because he married Elizabeth Brookes 1824 in 1845 and they had 5 children including John Brookes Pardoe in 1853.
John Brookes Pardoe married Elizabeth Bullingham 1853 in 1873 and the line continues down from there.
I hope the names followed by birthdate make sense to everyone - its the only way I can keep track of the different ancestors with the same first names.
Let me know your thoughts on this!
Arlen
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vcsanderson
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hello Cousin (if somewhat distant!!!)
isn't if fascinating - we've spent years searching for all of this and in the space of a few days we've found out so much.
Do you have any other Pardoe photos which might be of interest?
thanks
Vanessa
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linell
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Hi Arlen, this is the set of books I read:- http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pardos/MemMain.html
Is the picture of your Grandfather? As for my Pardoe's I have Jemima born 1788 who Married Joseph Yardley. Joseph was my 4xGt Grandfather. I also have Jane Brooks 1761 who Married your Joseph Pardoe, I am connected to them through the Brooks line. I have Mary Ann Pardoe 1858 daughter of Wm and Elizabeth, Mary Ann Married Wm Yardley a Cousin of my Yardleys. Mary Pardoe 1768 Married John Yardley, this John was the brother of Joseph above who Married Jemima Pardoe. Then I have the George Pardoe and Elizabeth Brooks line that you mentioned in your post. I also have loads of Wooldridges, these Lye families, just Married their neighbours, they are all connected I feel. I did find the Wooldridge Tomb at Old Swinford when I went there last year, it was still readable and had a lot of information on it. Nice to be in touch with you and Vanessa from linell.
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jandap
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Vanessa,
Its typical of this game. You spend ages getting nowhere then make a leap forward. As far as family pictures go, I only go back to my grandparents on the Pardoe side. Dad was the youngest and was always a bit upset not to get the family albums. I am the only one of my generation to propogate and it would have been nice to have more pictures of my forebears to pass on to my two grandchildren.
Linell,
I am glad we cleared that one up. We are singing from the same sheet after all! Our relation is through the Brooks line, I have only one Yardley in my tree Jane Yardley 1760 who married Francis Wooldridge 1754 in 1781. Though who knows, if you go back far enough the Pardoe line must converge somewhere. Dash it all, why couldn't they keep good records. I agree about marrying your neighbours, that is a very consistant thread throughout.
I do have a fair few Wooldridges in my tree and we may have some common ground there. Two of these are Jemima who I mentioned in my last post and Betty Wooldridge ? who married Joseph Pardoe 1814 in 1841. She died only 2 years later, I suspect bearing her first child. As far as I know she was not related to Jemima but there is more research to be done there. Joseph 1814 was the son of Joseph 1793, one of the trio of Pardoe butcher brothers. Sounds like something out of a western or a horror movie!
The young lad in the photo is my father Bill aged about 10. Enclosed are pictures of my paternal grandparents William Pardoe 1862 and Myra Homer 1865.
Best wishes to you both
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linell
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Hi Arlen, many thanks for the reply, how fascinating, love the pictures, Myra Homer looks very elegant, she couldn't have been born in Lye Waste! Don't like to mention this, but I also have some Homers in my tree, not Myra, I just checked, most of mine were from Cradley Heath.
I do have a Jane Yardley born Lye 1761, but I have her death as 1762, so is that wrong, or is she the Jane who Married Francis Wooldridge, it is impossible to tell when you get back that far isn't it!
I have lots of Wooldridges, but cannot link them up to one family line. Have you thought that the Pardoe's could have been descended from the Hungarian Glass Makers who settled in the area in the 15th Century, is the name Pardoe only associated with Lye, I've not seen it anywhere else?
Vanessa if you get on Ebay there are some Lye Books for sale on there, you may well find some Pardoe pictures there. Best Wishes from linell.
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jandap
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Hi Linell, you certainly get me thinking about things. Myra was either born on Waste Bank (her parents were there in 1861, 4 years before her birth) or close by (they are in Bromley Street in 1871). The photo would have been taken, I think, in the early 1900s when William had changed his profession from clay miner (hard but a regular income) to photographer (better working conditions but no guaranteed income) and they were living in Vicarage Road, Lye.
As to the origins of the surname Pardoe, you are probably close - though I suspect it was the Lorraine glassmakers rather than those from Hungary that provided the rootstock for the line. An interesting article here:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/e/n/Barry-M-Henzell/FILE/0004page.html
I have two lines of Homers, Grandmother Myra was a direct line, her father was Frederick 1824 and her grandfather was John 1794. An aunt on my mothers side married a Homer - John Tye Forrest Homer 1879 whose father and grandfather were Apollos 1832 and Jesse 1797, from Cradley. Incidently I also have a Sidaway - Aunt Floss married Arthur Sidaway 1896 in 1921.
I think the Yardley connection is too far back for certainty but the Wooldridges and Pardoes were quite common in the Waste. Betty, mentioned before marrying Jospeh Pardoe, lived close to him only a few pages separated in the 1841 census just before they married. Neighbours again!
Good luck with your researches
Arlen
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linell
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Hi Arlen, many thanks for the Glass Making Link, shall have to have a good read of that. I agree Pardoe does sound rather french doesn't it  I see Myra Homer made a good move from Lye Waste to Vicarage Road. Have you visited the area, not much left of the Waste now?
I did find these entries from the Old Swinford Poor Law:-
Sarah Pardoe entry 124 1761 Removed from Old Swinford to Ambelcote. Widow of Joseph with four children Elizabeth 1746, Martha 1748, Joseph 1752, Thomas 1756, found begging in Newington Surrey.
Richare Pardoe Nailer entry 161 1770 from St Chad Shrewsbury with Ann (late Griffiths) Widow and son George born 1765.
Joseph Pardoe entry 183 1773, Vagabond from Whistons Worcs to Old Swinford.
Obviously none of our respectable french glassmakers! Best Wishes linell.
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linell
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Hi Vanessa there is a Lye Book for sale on Ebay at the moment, from the Britain in Old Photograph Series. linell.
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vcsanderson
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Hi Arlen and Linnell
I was away over the weekend (at my mums doing family history !!!!!).
I will look to see if the book is still for sale on e-bay.
Best regards to you both
Vanessa
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linell
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Hi Arlen, that's an absolute gorgeous picture, so cute and so natural, what a treasure for you to pass on, do you know who all the girls are?
Thanks for the link, I have read it before, that is why I was shocked to hear that your very elegant Myra Homer was born there!
Just checked your surname interests, I also have Lye Astons, Pearsons and Crumptons and Bloomers from Cradley. Will do a quick check list tomorrow.
Vanessa hope you had a fruitful weekend with your research, best wishes from linell.
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vcsanderson
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me and my mum were trying to get everything written down but you soon run out of space trying to draw your family tree on a piece of A4 paper. Don't suppose you know of a website that allows you to do this for free do you? thanks
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