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vhdl15464
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My Grandmother Florence Selina Skelding nee Cartwright (1879-1929) was also known as Florrie Drybread because when she had a row with my Grandad Sidney (1877-1957) that's what she gave him for his packed lunch - or so the story goes.
Velda
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jandap
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Thanks Linell,
I do have a few more pictures yet. I will post them when I can.
I have enquired about getting the Cradley Books and will read them with interest when they come. More links in the chain. I suppose wherever you look there are gaps in the records for whatever reason. And thanks for passing things on.
The first picture is taken, I guess, about 1900. The only information I have is that my maternal grandmother is second from the right in the middle row. The number of people do not exactly equate to my knowledge of the family but I would make a pretty confident guess at the following:
Back Row: ? ? ? ?
Middle Row: ?, Phoebe Crampton n. Bloomer 1848, John Crampton 1846, Louisa Crampton 1882, Howard Crampton 1873
Front Row: Lawrence Crampton 1779, ?
I know of 5 Crampton sisters - Jane 1869, Clara 1872, Florence 1875, Ellen Sophia (Nellie) 1877 and my grandmother Louisa 1882 and so five of the young women in the picture will be them. Don't you just love the hairstyles and the lacework on their shoulders?
Move forward about 40 years to 1937 and I have a picture of four of the Crampton girls, some now married.
I believe them to be Clara, Louisa (definite), Florence and Ellen. Clara was married to Ernest Tallis 1873, Louisa to Howard Pearson 1881, Florence was unmarried (and a hospital matron) and Ellen married John Tye Forrest Homer 1879.
More to come., Regards, Arlen
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Pardoe, Pearson, Crampton, Lavender, Homer, Syner, Bellamy, Bloomer.
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linell
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Hi Arlen, am in awe of your pictures, they are wonderful. I do have some information for you from my friend Sheila, who has the same line as you, will post it on here for you. We must try and find a link for our Lyde Green Cramptons, there must be one! Will have a search for new information, best wishes from linell.
1. IGI John Winnall married Elizabeth Heathcock 5 Aug 1805 Halesowen, Worcs
2. IGI Christening 19 Nov 1815 Daughter Lucy Winnall to John Winnall & wife Elizabeth Halesowen, Worcs
3. IGI Marriage James Horton & Lucy Winnall 20 April 1835 Old Swinford
4. IGI Christening 21 Feb 1836 daughter Sarah Horton to James Horton & wife Lucy, Halesowen Worcs
5. James & Sarah & Family can be found in the 1841 Census
6. Lucy Horton nee Winnall died 25 Nov 1841 age 26 - Copy of death cert. obtained
7. James Horton - widower married Phebe Parkes spinster 4 Dec 1842 - Copy of marriage cert obtained - no children born from this marriage
8. Sarah Horton marriage to Thomas Rudge (parents William Rudge & Eliza nee Cartwright) 19 Dec 1858
9. Copy of birth cert obtained for Eliza Lucy Rudge to prove 'mother Sarah's' name was nee Horton - I believe that Eliza Lucy who appeared to have been named after the two grandmother's sadly died within about 2 years but I have not obtained the proving death certificate. see Census 1861 RG/9/2074 Folio 39 page 12(Sarah & Thomas are living in Sunbury, Middlesex in Census 1901 having migrated there together with son Edward (policeman), son Richard married to Louise nee Scott, son Thomas Charles married to Mary Susan nee Scott - my grandparents and Mary & Louise are sisters daughters of George Scott & Emily nee Wyer) plus a daughter Pamela married to Harry Johnson - all born in the Lye/Quarry Bank/Cradley areas) There is another younger son named Joseph Bertie married to Frances. He was away fighting in the Boer War and Frances Rudge can be found living in Green Street, Sunbury with 2 sons on 1901. Frances was born in Norfolk. His Army details can be found on the Army Pensions pages on Ancestry which includes his death certificate. He gives his brother Edward as next of kin.
10. Thomas Rudge (Sarah's husband) died 20 May 1912 Sunbury. Middlesex (this is recorded in Staines. Middlesex District)
11. Sarah Rudge nee Horton died age 94 18 November 1930 The Hall, London Road, Stanwell, Middlesex - Home address: The Alms Houses, Nursery Road, Sunbury, Middlesex - widow of Thomas Rudge - of 1. Myocardial Degeneration & 2. Senility.........copy of death certificate obtained.
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jandap
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Linell, please thank your friend Shiela for her data. I had the first two but the rest are new information for me.
Here's another Crampton picture, one taken by my grandfather in his first studio in Vicarage Road, Lye. It is Howard, who is on the right and a little younger in the Crampton picture posted earlier.
Its funny how you keep finding new things going over old ground. I have found what I think are pictures of Phoebe Crampton in the 1920s (she died in 1920) with my mother's parents.
The 1911 census is another rich source, if somewhat expensive. We have had a skeleton in the family closet and the latest census release is opening avenues that may solve the riddles.
The moral is to keep looking!
Regards, Arlen
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Pardoe, Pearson, Crampton, Lavender, Homer, Syner, Bellamy, Bloomer.
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Rob Rushton
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My Lye surnames are:
Pardoe, Chance, Phipson, Yardley, Skelding, Bingham, Taylor, Westwood
They all link into the Phipson and Skelding branches that moved to North Staffordshire just before 1900.
Would be happy to exchange notes and info.
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vcsanderson
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Hi Rob
which Pardoe are you related to?
Vanessa
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Rob Rushton
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Hi Vanessa
It's a distant link, but nevertheless part of my tree:
Ann Pardoe was my grt grt grt grt grt grt grandmother
b abt 1750, Old Swinford
m Samuel Bingham, 11 Sept 1773,
bur 8 Nov 1804
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vhdl15464
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Hi Rob
I think that we have corresponded before and that our families are linked.
Velda
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Rob Rushton
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Hi Velda
Yes, I'm sure we have - possibly on Rootsweb over our Skelding rellies.
regards
Rob
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sue.g
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Hi
I am replying to post 50. (I hope I've written this correctly as I'm new to this board)
I have just started researching the Pardoe side of my family after several years of trying to find my gr grandfathers parents.
His mother was Jane Pardoe b abt 1833 and she was married to Joseph Freeman, also decended from the Pardoe family of Old Swinford.
I have traced the paternal line through to Anne Pardoe, possible daughter of Joseph Pardoe and Jane Brooks. Am I correct in thinking she may be the 12th child that is missing from the line up. She was baptised in 1777, which was before their marriage in 1781.
Would anyone be able to confirm this for me and also give me any clues on Jane Pardoe's parents.
Thanks in advance
Sue
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ankerdine
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Hi Freddiebean
Do you by any chance have a Sarah Ann Rhodes born c1843 Bilston/Dudley/Tipton in your tree? She married a John Blakemore.
Judy
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Marshall, Williamson, Blair, Hoggart(h): Creetown, Stranraer, Dalrymple, Auchinleck, Coylton
Scott, Ayrshire and England
Saxton, Brown, Sketchley: Nottingham, Rutland, Leicestershire
Bradbury, Turner, Merricks: Walsall, Penkridge, Staffordshire
McColville, Halliday: Northern Ireland
Hawker, Davies: Aston, Birmingham, Shropshire, Malone: Black Country
Silvers: Dudley, Worcestershire
Blakemore: Black Country, Shropshire, Rhodes: Bilston
Rhodes: Dudley, Worcs
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vcsanderson
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Hi Sue
I am new to all this too so I am not going to be of much use to you but its interesting that we are all trying to find out about the Pardoe family. I belive Joseph Pardoe and Jane Brook did have 12 children but I don't have an Ann. Arlen has helped me with most of my info - maybe Arlen can help you with this? My link is with Richard Pardoe who was the one of the sons of Joseph and Jane. He was born 04/03/1802.
Good luck and best regards
Vanessa
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jandap
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Hi Sue
Vanessa suggested I might have more to add. At this point I have to say that most of my information going back to the late 1700s and early 1800s has come from IGI records. There are precious few other records to go by; those that lived past 1841 are usually (but not always) to be found in census data. To some extent with the Pardoes their family names are a clue, passed down through the family, but there are a lot of common names in different branches of the family, the usuals such as William, John, Joseph, James, Thomas, George, Samuel amongst the males and Jane, Ann, Elizabeth, Betty, Sarah amongst the women, to just mention a few. I have a little verbal ancestral data but almost all these sources are no longer available.
I believe Joseph Pardoe 1758 and Jane Brook 1761 had 12 children with some names recycled for chidren that died young. There were 2 Bettys, 2 Williams, John, George, Mary, Jenny, Joseph, Elizabeth, Thomas and Richard, born in the years between 1782 and 1804.
I have had a look about for your names. You mention Jane Pardoe 1833 married to James Freeman- what is the source for this one? The nearest Jane I can find was the daughter of John Pardoe 1802 and Jane Foxall 1801 and she was christened in April 1834. Is this she?
I see where you come from with Ann, christened 27 April 1777. Jane would have been abouit 16 then and they were not married until 4 years later; I dismissed this for that reason. Equally there was a Joseph Pardoe born 29 May 1814 but Jane would have been 53 by now and, though not impossible, I made the decision he was not in this family either. It could well be that they are both in the same family and Jane bore 14 children. Equally there could be two Joseph Pardoes and Janes and there could be two famililies which I have mixed! Eventually, with nothing more to go on, who knows?
I do not know if this is any help. It would be interesting to follow your thoughts on all this.
Regards
Arlen
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Pardoe, Pearson, Crampton, Lavender, Homer, Syner, Bellamy, Bloomer.
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