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Topic: Delmonden - was it a separate village in the 1870s? (Read 103 times)
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Aniseed
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I'm wondering whether anyone who knows Hawkhurst can help me identify the place Delmonden.
My great great grandmother Susannah Maria Steward was born and lived most of her life in Deptford. However, she apparently met her husband John James Dale in Sissinghurst, which implies she didn't spend all her time in Deptford.
Their first three children were born in Deptford, but in January 1878 her small son John, who was born in Deptford, died in Delmonden, Kent and in June 1878 her daughter Mary was born in Delmonden, although on her census entries her place of birth is listed as Hawkhurst. After that the family seems to move back to Deptford, because the rest of the children are born there.
The death certificate for baby John and the birth certificate for Mary don't give an address, they just say Delmonden. I've looked up Delmonden on modern maps and it shows Delmonden Lane, a Delmonden Farm and a Delmonden Manor House in Hawkhurst. I was wondering if Susan might have been in service at Delmonden Manor, working on the farm, or whether perhaps Delmonden was a separate village at that time since there was just the one word 'Delmonden' on the certificates. I've seen mention of a Delmonden Green but I can't find out whether it's near Hawkhurst, and I have no idea if that's where the registrar meant by writing 'Delmonden' on the certificates.
Any local knowledge would be gratefully received.
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DALE - Monkwearmouth & Camberwell
CHIPCHASE - Stockton on Tees & Shadwell
STEWARD - Great Yarmouth & Deptford
WOODHEAD - Deptford
WILKINSON (Watermen & Lightermen) - Surrey & Deptford
EAST (Watermen & Lightermen) - Lambeth & Deptford
CORNWELL, PLUCK, AYRES & HINER - Bottisham, Cambridgeshire
BARTHOLOMEW, GORDON & RINGER - Wakes Colne, Essex
TAYLOR, WHITE & GOODCHILD - Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
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kerryb
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Hi Aniseed
If you try www.old-maps.co.uk and search for Delmonden you get a whole host of addresses, mostly in Delmonden Lane which I know. I had a look at the enlarged map of Delmonden Lane and there is a place called Delmonden Green halfway along the lane. Presumably a small hamlet.
Delmonden House is on the map not far from the Green and still exists today, I wonder if that was the manor?
Kerry
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kerryb
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Incidentally if you are interested the name -den was an ancient woodland pig pasture of the High Weald used by farmers from the North and South Downs and the coastal plains. These can still be identified today and are the key to understanding how the High Weald first became colonized by human settlers - and why it has such a dispersed pattern of settlement today. many still exist - delmonden, Tenterden, Benenden, Spelmonden and so and so on.
As dens were mostly used during the late summer and early autumn, the farmers would have built temporary shelters in which to keep warm while watching their pigs. Eventually, the dens became settlements in their own right - either as individual farms or as hamlets - and the isolated, scattered nature of the original dens developed into a pattern of individual farmsteads dotted across the countryside.
For more information visit http://www.highweald.org/text.asp?PageId=259
Kerry
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Aniseed
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Thank you very much for those links Kerryb, I hadn't heard of Old Maps before, and I think I'll find it useful for other areas too. I did find it a bit hard to read the maps themselves, but just the list of names with Delmonden in was very useful. It's looking like Delmonden was maybe a local name associated with Hawkhurst, probably from pig herding times, which was used for lots of local place names - streets, houses, farms etc. I just wish the registrar had been a bit more specific on the certificates! Your information has definitely given me more idea of how Delmonden fits in to the Hawkhurst area, so thank you very much for taking the time to reply.
Now I'd just love to know why Susan went there, maybe for cleaner air while her little boy was ill, although he died of a convulsion fit rather than anything infectious. Her husband John turned from a bootmaker into a colporteur (an itinerant salesman of religious books) at the time that baby John died, and he didn't register his daughter Mary's birth as he did for all his other children, which implies to me that he wasn't there at the time - off on the road selling bibles perhaps. Susan did say that he was a cordwainer when she registered Mary's birth, though. I find this fascinating as I had no idea of the spell in Delmonden before I looked into the BMDs of John and Mary, who I'm not directly descended from. Just shows how looking into sidelines can fill in a few gaps in the story.
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DALE - Monkwearmouth & Camberwell
CHIPCHASE - Stockton on Tees & Shadwell
STEWARD - Great Yarmouth & Deptford
WOODHEAD - Deptford
WILKINSON (Watermen & Lightermen) - Surrey & Deptford
EAST (Watermen & Lightermen) - Lambeth & Deptford
CORNWELL, PLUCK, AYRES & HINER - Bottisham, Cambridgeshire
BARTHOLOMEW, GORDON & RINGER - Wakes Colne, Essex
TAYLOR, WHITE & GOODCHILD - Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
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