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lilybell
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Hi Karen,
If we only had a maiden name for Sophia it would make things so much easier.
Don't give up she has to be somewhere. I like a good mystery.
Warmer weather is on the way, thank goodness. I've had enough this snow.
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aghadowey
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From the death certificate it looks like she was born in Ontario but parents born in England. 'Race: English' merely means she was of English descent.
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J.J.
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Sophia's last name was Ellis...
aghadowey... 
I assume Karen found Sophia down as born England on a census or two...
Karen, had you already looked at the fellow in Fenelon Falls named Ellis that I gave you earlier in this query? He was born England and is down as immigrated in 1835....so was thinking may be a sibling....He is also a lumberman as are a few others in your familes....
If she immigrated as a wee infant, maybe she didn't remember either way...
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KarenM
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Her maiden name was Ellis, that's true (well as far as I can tell), at least it's on a birth "unnamed baby Bowman" which is John Wm. Bowman in Fenelon Falls and on Jane Francis Bowman & Mary Eliza Bowman's marriages.
I've been trying to follow that John Ellis all day, but can't find anything to connect him.
Thanks for joining in Agadowey, she has put on a census or two born in England and born in Ontario, so I've no idea.
Karen
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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester
Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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Don't forget that the information on the death certificate was the information supplied by the informant who may or may not have known the true facts.
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KarenM
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You're absolutly correct Agadowey, and since it was a granddaughter, I wonder how much she really knew 
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I have found a death for a Edward Ellis in Fenelon Falls, born in Ireland c1825, but his doctor is A. Wilson, who I am assuming is Dr. Archibald Wilson, Sophia's son--in-law, the death is in 1884. Am I stretching to much there? 
Karen
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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester
Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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KarenM
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According to that death certificate for Sophia, which I've no idea how accurate, but if it is, it lists Sophia's mother as Ann, there is a death for an Ann Ellis in Fenelon Falls in 1903, 95 years old, born c1808 in Ireland.
Karen
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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester
Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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J.J.
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Yes I saw that Edward yesterday on the 1881..born Ireland....but in his home is also a John Ellis Lumber Merchant born England...but this John says....born 1841...Now is this the same fellow... creative aging or creative census taking?
One never knows but my grandfather was many years out on the 1881...
Nothing like accuracy on documents!  J.J.
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Plus are they brothers? cousins?...no relationship marked can be such a pain....
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J.J.
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Also meant to add, they didn't usually have an aweful lot of doctors in small towns back in those days, and I don't know the size of the place at the time...
but I'm pretty sure even if there were multiple, you are safe to assume that there weren't two Dr. A Wilsons serving the community
Here is a John on the 1852, born in 1844 but says Ireland...I'd giggle but not sure that it's funny...
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census52/SplitView.jsp?id=21845
( does this happen to you a lot or what?)
Hve you tracked this Sophia down to see if dates are all off?
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census52/SplitView.jsp?id=24564
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Janice M
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Here is the death for "Jane Frances Maynard". Is she one of yours? Her parents were Benjamin Bowman and Sophia Ellis.
Jane Frances Maynard
Death Date: 26 Dec 1929
Age: 69 years 5 months
Place of Death: C'Ford
Birth 09 Jul 1860
Birthplace: Inkerman Ont.
Father: Benjamin Bowman
Mother: Sophia Ellis
Marital Status: Married
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Elder, Stewart, Johnston, Baskerville, Marks, Carson, Leitch, Bulloch, Thomson, Allen, Campbell, Gordon, Murray, Kelly, Chambers, Black, Cheyne, Youngson, Williamsdaughter, Anderson, Briggs, Pirie, Clark, Philp, Mannel, Lander, Rough, Lean, Bate, Lanxon, Brown, Oliver, Kitt, Shards, Bennet, Young, Petrie, Wylie, Herbertson, Martin, McAlister, Best, Ginn, Ross, McIntosh, McGillivray, Russell, Pettigrew, Fyfe, Barrie
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Janice M
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If she is your's, here is her marriage.
John MAYNARD
25
watch maker,
Canada, Fenelon Falls,
s/o Joseph & Jane MAYNARD,
married
Janet Frances BOWMAN,
19,
Canada, Fenelon Falls,
d/o Benjamin BOWMAN & Sophia ELLIS,
witn: Mrs J. HASTIE & Jessie BROWN, both of Lindsay,
19 Dec 1878 at Lindsay
Also, just a thought... have you written to the cemetery in Fenelon Falls, to see if there is a Benjamin Bowman buried there? I don't see him listed, but then maybe they aren't finished transcribing.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cancemet/ON/ONF14965/
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Elder, Stewart, Johnston, Baskerville, Marks, Carson, Leitch, Bulloch, Thomson, Allen, Campbell, Gordon, Murray, Kelly, Chambers, Black, Cheyne, Youngson, Williamsdaughter, Anderson, Briggs, Pirie, Clark, Philp, Mannel, Lander, Rough, Lean, Bate, Lanxon, Brown, Oliver, Kitt, Shards, Bennet, Young, Petrie, Wylie, Herbertson, Martin, McAlister, Best, Ginn, Ross, McIntosh, McGillivray, Russell, Pettigrew, Fyfe, Barrie
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Janice M
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These are the only 2 deaths I could see for a Benjamin Bowman. The years don't exactly match, but might be worth checking.
Benjamin Bowman
Death Date: 19 Jul 1900
Age: 68 years
Place of Death: Colchester North, Essex, Ontario
Approx Birth Year 1832
Birthplace: Michigan.
Marital Status: Married
Benjamin Bowman
Death Date: 07 Apr 1907
Age: 72 years
Place of Death: Melancthon, Dufferin, Ontario, Canada
Approx Birth Year 1835
Birthplace: Canada.
Marital Status: Married
This last one looks like a good possibility.
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Elder, Stewart, Johnston, Baskerville, Marks, Carson, Leitch, Bulloch, Thomson, Allen, Campbell, Gordon, Murray, Kelly, Chambers, Black, Cheyne, Youngson, Williamsdaughter, Anderson, Briggs, Pirie, Clark, Philp, Mannel, Lander, Rough, Lean, Bate, Lanxon, Brown, Oliver, Kitt, Shards, Bennet, Young, Petrie, Wylie, Herbertson, Martin, McAlister, Best, Ginn, Ross, McIntosh, McGillivray, Russell, Pettigrew, Fyfe, Barrie
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J.J.
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I have no idea how I miised the mother's name on the death notice...but I just saw the Ann Kell...
from the Fam search site IGI ( extracted)
Ann Kell & William Ellis
Marriage April 12th 1824
Kirton In Lindsey, Lincoln Eng.
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J.J.
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aha! then there is this birth
John Ellis - July 12th 1826
Kirton In Lindsey, Lincoln
parentsWilliam Ellis & Ann
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and this one which doesn't work for the marriage date, but then?
Jane Ellis Dec. 24th 1824
Kirton In Lindsey, Lincoln
parents William Ellis & Ann
Oh, shoot the date on the 1901 John was October something...
But the year is dead on
and if the two are close...just in case...
William Ellis b. Sept 5th 1801 Kirton In Holland, Lincoln Eng
Parents: John Ellis & Sarah
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J.J.
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Here is that Ann in 1901 ! Can anyone find the birth of M Angus Ellis her granchild born 1870 March 11
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=17069&highlight=46
(above her is an A. Margaret Ellis born 1825 Ireland, a widow, occ.Tailor)
ann says immigrated 1835...! This is looking promising!
( as you know the Irish "Kelly" was sometimes shortened to "Kell" )
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O.K. Now I can see why this family makes you crazy as I think this may be same Ann in 1881
Morris, Huron North, Ontario - 1375910 F#C-13274
John Ellis age 36 born Ireland
James 10 Ontario
Ann Ellis married ( no husband listed ) age 70 born Ireland
William Brown married age 65 born Ireland Farm. Lab.
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