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« on: Monday 21 April 08 15:49 BST (UK) »

Hi there,

I have searched and searched and searched and I still cannot find my gr gr grandmother in the 1901  Angry 

I might be trying so hard, that it's right in front of my eyes  Roll Eyes  So....

Sophia Bowman born c1833 sometimes she's born in England another time in Ontario.  Her husband is Benjamin Bowman, but I can't find a death for him so I have no idea when he died, altough I do have Sophia living with her daughter and son in lawn in Ingersoll in the 1911 and that is where she died in 1927.

I've no idea where she could be living in the 1901, I can't find my gr grandfather for that matter  Embarrassed , her son John Wm. Bowman born c1872.  He was born in Fenelon Falls, Ontario, but dies in Guelph, Ontario in 1918.

Any help greatly appreciated!!

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« Reply #1 on: Monday 21 April 08 20:50 BST (UK) »

Is there any chance she came back to UK in 1901?

RG13/492/125/7 334 Lordship Lane Dulwich London has a
Sophia  J Bowman age 74 Widow, Mother in Law
Walter G Robbins Head age 31 Assistant Clerk
Jessie S Wife aged 41
Herbert A Bowman age 26, Manchester Warehouseman

This was the only possibilty I could find
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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 00:34 BST (UK) »

Hi Karen,

Certainly elusive, aren't they?

Do you have  Alice and family on the 1901 census? I had a look and couldn't find them myself but was wondering if perhaps Sophia might be with them in 1901 if she had been widowed by then as well?

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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 01:41 BST (UK) »

What was his occupation Karen?
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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 03:12 BST (UK) »

HI everyone,

Indal. I'm not sure if she would have gone back to UK as I'm not even sure if she was born there  Undecided

JJ, Benjamin was a Millwright on the census, 1871 & 1881, I've got the 1861 somewhere, but for the life of me I can't find it.  Benjamin's family is from Dundas County, Ontario (Morrisburg area).

Polarbear, they sure are  Sad  Hmm, Alice, I can't seem to find her in the 1901 either?Huh

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 06:04 BST (UK) »

Ach, Can't find any of them, McDougalls or Bowmans...Looked down some surname lists as well...no can find yet...
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Margery's birth is on LDS site as being Dec. 1896, Fenelon Falls ( says Feneton & Findlay is spelled Findlay )
So they were there just a few years prior to the 1901...but can't find anything in Victoria county either
and...Although down as Alice on the 1911 she seems to use Maud on several things, so she may be found as Maud...But then her husband's forename of Findlay isn't widely used...even if mistranscribed their names are all easy to spot...and I've been stumped.
Any chance they are All visiting elsewhere...Family reunion no doubt!  Tongue

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Interesting...
I was looking at the pdfs for F.Falls and did find this fellow...line 3
a John Ellis who is a lumberman...May just be coincidence but posting anyway...
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=17074
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Not with sister Jane Maynard ....Did you look into the other sister Mary Eliza Wilson  ( husband Archibald.)..There are several & I don't know her age
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 14:15 BST (UK) »

 Angry I can't find any of them either in the 1901!!!  I did find Archibald Wilson's death in 1934 in Toronto though and his wife Mrs. M.E. Wilson is the informant.

John Wm. Bowman's occupation I don't really know other than he worked at the factory across from my house (his house too  Grin ) Pirelli Cables, but back then it was called somthing else, they torn the factory down about 10 yeras ago to put up townhouses  Roll Eyes


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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 15:58 BST (UK) »

Hello again,

Was John W. married by 1901 and if so can you tell us his wife's name?

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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 18:33 BST (UK) »

Hi Polarbear,

I have no idea when exactly John Bowman married, (I havn't been able to find their marriage) having said that the first child, Joseph John Bowman was born August 1, 1903 in Guelph, Ontario.

John Wm. Bowman married Mary/May Heffernan.

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« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 19:41 BST (UK) »

Karen,

Do you know where Sophia was buried? Have you tried contacting the cemetery to inquire whether Benjamin was buried there also?

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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 19:50 BST (UK) »

Thanks polarbear for you help!!

Sophia is bured in Ingersoll, she has no headstone, just her name is in the book and there is no mention of Benjamin.   Sad  Her daughter Alice Maud and her family are buried in the same cemetery.

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Reinhart - Baden, Germany
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Etheridge - Glouchester

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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 20:32 BST (UK) »

Hi Karen,

You may already have this copy of Sophia's death Registration but in case you don't

Sophia Bowman

Date of Death; 2 July,1927
Place of Death: Thames St. Ingersoll
Sex: F
Age: 94
Birthplace: England
Date of Birth: 9 July 1833
Race: English
Occupation: retired
Length of residence: 10 years at place of death
Length of residence in Canada: all her life in Ontario
Father: Ellis ?
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother: Ann Kell
Mother's Birthplace: England
Informant: Mrs George Mason
Informant's address: Ingersoll
Relation to deceased: Granddaughter
Place of Burial: Ingersoll Rural Cemetery
Date of Burial: 4 July 1927
Cause of Death and length of illness: Myocarditis 2 days
No Operation
No Autopsy
Date of Registration: 4 July 1927

This death registration from Oxford County Library Genealogy

Your Sophia  is proving to be a very elusive lady. Have had no luck either and I have tried every census that I can think of. Found Benjamin on 1851 census for Williamsburg Twp, Dundas age 21.

Perhaps Sophia just got missed on  1901 or maybe they were not living in Canada at the time. A lot of folks went to North Dakota and Michigan and then came back to Canada. Worth a thought.

Do you have Sophia's father's last name?

Hope you find her I'll take another look around sometimes our ancestors were not where we thought they were.

Good luck with your search.

Regards from snowy Calgary

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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 20:51 BST (UK) »

Four households make an unusual amount of no shows from one family!  Undecided


Benjamin & Sophia Bowman
Their son John  William Bowman
(and it seems Mary Heffernan, as his wife, or single)
Their daughter Mary Eliza and her husband Archibald Wilson & children
Their daughter Maud Alice ( aka Alice Maud ) & husband Findlay McDougall & children
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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 21:12 BST (UK) »

Oh Lilybell, have seen the weather out in Alberta, please keep it there as we finally have had some nice weather!!

I do have that death certificate thanks.  I have no information whatsoever on Sophia, other than the death certificate and the 1871, 61, 81 and 1911 census.  I can't find even a sibling for her, she must have had one at least, shouldn't she  Undecided

JJ, I'm glad it's just not me that can't find them, I keep getting mad at them and giving up on them, but I do wish I could get something about her.

Thanks everyone for your help and confirmation that I'm not crazy in not being able to find her!!  Grin

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Reinhart - Baden, Germany
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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 21:18 BST (UK) »

Age: 94
Birthplace: England
Date of Birth: 9 July 1833
Race: English
Occupation: retired
Length of residence: 10 years at place of death
Length of residence in Canada: all her life in Ontario


Lilybell

See what I mean, how can she spend "all her life" in Ontario, if she was born in England  Undecided

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Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester

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