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Re: 1901 Census Help Please
« Reply #45 on: Thursday 24 April 08 04:19 BST (UK) »

Minnie could be Mary Eliza Bowman, just a nick name.  She was married to Archibald Wilson who was a doctor.

Did you see that Sawmills and Planning Mills book that had Ben Bowman?  Benjamin was a mill wright and an engineer, so maybe there's a connection?

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« Reply #46 on: Thursday 24 April 08 04:57 BST (UK) »

1851 Census - Williamsburg, Dundas County
http://ontariocensus.rootsweb.ancestry.com/transcripts/477-14.html

I will look for the other book. I didn't even notice that one.
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« Reply #47 on: Thursday 24 April 08 07:00 BST (UK) »

Hello Karen

This is interesting, this person has Bowman and Hefferman's in Rochester in 1890s.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NYMONROE/2006-05/1147114109

With the missing US census for 1890 it doesn't help matters.

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« Reply #48 on: Thursday 24 April 08 13:46 BST (UK) »

Here's Alice McDougall obituary.  Says she was born in Inkerman (same place as Scotty Bowman  Grin ) and that they moved from Fenelon Falls to Ingersoll 45 years ago in 1955.

http://www.ocl.net/tribune/search_me.asp?ss=Bowman&ss2=&wildcard=3&RS_per_page=10&SortBy=Surname&Start_RS=40&sf=Surname

The lady who I emailed about the cemetery has emailed me back saying she found Sophia in the 1901 listed as a widow and living with Alice.  I've emailed her back and asked how/where she found that.

Thanks for that Linda, it's me that posted that.  I have a picture of John Bowman and on the back says taken in Rochester New York. My gr grandmother, Mary Heffernan's brother lived in Rochester and my grandma used to spend alot of time at Uncle Charlie and Aunt Kitty's house in Rochester.  I've often thought John Bowman and Mary Heffernan must have met in Rochester??  But I can find no marriage in Rochester or Guelph  Undecided  I can find no border crossing for either of them also.

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« Reply #49 on: Thursday 24 April 08 14:41 BST (UK) »

Well, there you go, they are all down there for the wedding!!!  Grin  Grin  Grin

Actually, that might just be a prospect...

I wonder if the lady found her in 1911 with Alice....? seems likely as we have
all searched high and low using different methods...
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« Reply #50 on: Thursday 24 April 08 14:53 BST (UK) »

Plus now you know John worked in leathers!

I can't get nos racine to work at all... I am not sure if they are just busy or what,
but even though I have a really fast and gutsy computer now ...so many
databases work less well than before... Tongue
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« Reply #51 on: Sunday 27 April 08 04:58 BST (UK) »

another expense,($50.) but if this newspaper index is complete it might help you a lot
Directory of Birth – Marriage - Death Notices Appearing
in Fenelon Falls & Bobcaygeon ON Newspapers, Births
1880 -1905, Marriages 1880 –1920, Deaths 1880 – 1930
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onwob22/publications/Durham_Publication_Booklet_2007.pdf
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« Reply #52 on: Sunday 27 April 08 05:27 BST (UK) »

Have you checked on the company of Green & Ellis who owned a sawmill
in Fenlon Falls? Being that many of your fellows seem to be lumbermen...
 Grin  mentioned here...
http://www.ontariogenealogy.com/Victoria/history/fenelonpioneers2.html

also a peek into this 1871 household wouldn't hurt...
Ellis, William age 71, Farmer...born England
BRUCE SOUTH Sub-district: Culross (C) Div:1  p.49
Microfilm  C-9934 / Ref RG31

Who knows might have a wife named Ann b. Ireland...
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« Reply #53 on: Thursday 01 May 08 00:21 BST (UK) »

Thanks JJ, I'll have to follow up with that Green & Ellis, could be a lead.

In replying to another thread, I was thinking about my gr uncle Joe Bowman, who died in the Sanitorium in Kitchener.  For some reason I didn't have his death certificate, so I brought it up on ancestry from 1932, well...... Roll Eyes

It lists his father, John Bowman born Rochester, New York and mother May Heffernan, Marden, Ontario (I knew that)  The informant is my gr grandmother, May Heffernan/Bowman, surley to god she would know where her husband was born wouldn't she Huh  She's also put "Scotch" for racial orgin.  She also has her son as a maker of shoes.

LOL, think I'm going to call May's granddaughter (my mother  Grin ) and see if she can shed anymore light on this, but I'm sure I'll get the same old thing...."you just didn't ask back then"  Angry

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« Reply #54 on: Thursday 01 May 08 16:46 BST (UK) »

It lists his father, John Bowman born Rochester, New York and mother May Heffernan, Marden, Ontario (I knew that)  The informant is my gr grandmother, May Heffernan/Bowman, surely to god she would know where her husband was born wouldn't she Huh  She's also put "Scotch" for racial orgin.  She also has her son as a maker of shoes
Well, Goodness knows we'll like "Scotch"  Roll Eyes ...Guess she gave in and conformed to the norm...When in Rome and all that...
  Odd that she would put Rochester as place of birth...Might he have been born in the states, but registered in Canada? You do have a mixed bag of answers to sort through, don't you/

Hey, Our roots, worked perfectly for me just now....
I imagine you know most of what's in here, as you have so much family history on the family in Ontario...but I know you will want to read it anyway,  if you haven't already, as it is so interesting. Bowman surname mentioned...the author's middle name is Bowman as well...
The Camden colony, or, The seed of the righteous : a story of the United Empire Loyalists (with genealogical tables for the Miller family )
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=2880

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« Reply #55 on: Friday 02 May 08 02:02 BST (UK) »

I can never get Our roots to work for me  Roll Eyes  I did at one point think my Bowman's could be UEL, they settled in the Morrisburg area of Ontario which had a huge UEL presence.  I went to Upper Canada Village a couple of years ago, was really neat.  I also went to see the woman who has done a ton or work on the UEL.  She actually helps you apply for UEL status, getting all your birth certificates in order and everything, quite impressive really.  She had lots of information on my Bowman's, but of course had nothing on Benjamin (just my luck) I guess cause he had moved away, but all his siblings had stayed in the area.

As for putting her husband being born in Rochester, I don't know what she was thinking.  Mind you, on my grandmother's marriage certificate she has her father being born in Smiths Falls instead of Fenelon Falls.  There is one more birth certificate for a son of theirs that was born um, 1910 I think, hopefully there might be some information on it.  My grandmother's birth was never registered and if you look it up on ancestry, it is a delayed statement of birth that my grandma filled out in 1971. 

My mum knew nothing of her uncle being a shoe maker LOL, she said he owned a camera store, go figure  Grin.  He was in the sanitorium for 3 years. 

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« Reply #56 on: Friday 02 May 08 16:57 BST (UK) »

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I can never get Our roots to work for me
Sneak up on it one day when you don't really need it and it may work for you!
Ha! That's what happened yesterday, just tried it for the heck of it, and put in a few surnames, and there you go...
I still never got the one Janice gave you though...
Janice, your computer seems to like the contankerous databases.... Grin


As you know, Boot & Shoemakers, saddlers, rein & harness makers etc. all work in leathers...so there may have been another ancestor who taught them the trade...
Although an HBC voyageur all his young life, Hubby's ancestor took up Ferry work, then boot & shoe making...His sons took up ferry & also working with leather...
  The just a few years ago we found out that his father in Quebec was working as a bootmaker
 Grin I find the occupations so interesting as well...Your bunch were quite versatile, it seems...
( also sorry, I know you were researching UER at one time, and thought they were...)
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« Reply #57 on: Friday 16 May 08 02:39 BST (UK) »

Well I have Sophia in the 1891 Census now living with her daughter Alice McDougall and son in law Finlay in Fenelon Falls.  She is listed as a married.



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« Reply #58 on: Friday 16 May 08 02:44 BST (UK) »

In the 1901 she is a widow and still with the McDougall's, but she is down as Mary Bowman and not Sophia, but it's definatly her.



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« Reply #59 on: Saturday 17 May 08 02:33 BST (UK) »

Of course she used a different name  Grin  Tongue  Grin
Wow, I'm sorry I never found her...I looked until my eyes were sore and even went through al the fenelon falls listings? How'd I miss it? Roll Eyes

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