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COMPLETED - Need help reading occupation and birthplace on 1851 Allonby return
« on: Monday 21 April 08 19:27 BST (UK) »

Hi all,

I have attached a portion of an 1851 census return for the Stoddart Family in Allonby, Cumberland.

Is there anyone who can help me read the highlighted areas of the head's occupation and his wife's birthplace?

Many thanks.

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Re: Need help reading occupation and birthplace on 1851 Allonby, Cumberland return
« Reply #1 on: Monday 21 April 08 19:36 BST (UK) »

Hi Stephen,

The occupation looks like Messenger to Agent

Now the birthplace! I read it quite clearly as Druderron. I just wish there was such a place!  Undecided
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Re: Need help reading occupation and birthplace on 1851 Allonby, Cumberland return
« Reply #2 on: Monday 21 April 08 19:44 BST (UK) »

I think the place of birth looks like Denderron but I can't find anything like it on Genuki. Huh
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Re: Need help reading occupation and birthplace on 1851 Allonby, Cumberland return
« Reply #3 on: Monday 21 April 08 19:47 BST (UK) »

Yeah, Ancestry.co.uk has it transcribed as 'Denderron' but there is no such place in Cumberland or anywhere else.  Undecided
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Re: Need help reading occupation and birthplace on 1851 Allonby, Cumberland return
« Reply #4 on: Monday 21 April 08 19:53 BST (UK) »

Now that you say it, I can 'Den' is more likely than 'Dru' indeed!  Tongue

Is she the one who says Wigton in 1861, living at Crosscanonby?
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Re: Need help reading occupation and birthplace on 1851 Allonby, Cumberland return
« Reply #5 on: Monday 21 April 08 19:55 BST (UK) »

Yeah, she's the one who said she was born in Wigton living in Maryport, Crosscanonby in 1861.
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Re: Need help reading occupation and birthplace on 1851 Allonby, Cumberland retu
« Reply #6 on: Monday 21 April 08 19:56 BST (UK) »

There's a DENDRON near Barrow-in Furness
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Re: Need help reading occupation and birthplace on 1851 Allonby, Cumberland return
« Reply #7 on: Monday 21 April 08 19:58 BST (UK) »

There's a DUNDRAW near Wigton, looking at a map.

Kind regards, Arranroots  Wink
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN
HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD
GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS
WIL: WEBB, SALTER
RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS
GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY
MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD
SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON
IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK)
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Re: Need help reading occupation and birthplace on 1851 Allonby, Cumberland return
« Reply #8 on: Monday 21 April 08 20:03 BST (UK) »

Wohoo, Arranroots  Cool

The handwriting could say Denderrow, I reckon (which I suppose would sound like Dundraw! Tongue)
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Re: Need help reading occupation and birthplace on 1851 Allonby, Cumberland return
« Reply #9 on: Monday 21 April 08 20:05 BST (UK) »

Yes, that could explain it - I couldn't quite justify it as a direct transcription of the name, but maybe a slight corruption like that?

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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN
HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD
GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS
WIL: WEBB, SALTER
RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS
GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY
MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD
SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON
IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK)
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Re: Need help reading occupation and birthplace on 1851 Allonby, Cumberland return
« Reply #10 on: Monday 21 April 08 20:08 BST (UK) »

NICE ONE Arranroots!! Cheers for that one! It looks good.

Any luck with the Head's occupation? It seems that he was a grocer in 1841.
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Re: Need help reading occupation and birthplace on 1851 Allonby, Cumberland return
« Reply #11 on: Monday 21 April 08 20:11 BST (UK) »

I agree with Tati's interpretation - Messenger to Agent.

Do you have marriage details - I suppose it will be after 1837, but if not they would be useful in establishing the wife's father's name (and her maiden name), which might help sort out her birthplace.

Have you checked the IGI?

kind regards, Arranroots  Wink
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN
HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD
GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS
WIL: WEBB, SALTER
RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS
GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY
MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD
SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON
IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK)
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Re: Need help reading occupation and birthplace on 1851 Allonby, Cumberland return
« Reply #12 on: Monday 21 April 08 20:17 BST (UK) »

Their first child was born in 1826/1827,

The only marriage I have been able to find is this one (http://www.rootschat.com/links/03a8/) in the IGI for 20 May 1826 between Joseph Stoddart and Margaret Thornthwaite in Aspatria.

According to the IGI, Margaret Thornthwaite was born on 28 Mar 1797 and baptised on 29 Apr 1797 in Allonby... It's not that far from Wigton but quite far for a baptism. Then again I don't know their circumstances.
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Re: Need help reading occupation and birthplace on 1851 Allonby, Cumberland retu
« Reply #13 on: Monday 21 April 08 20:45 BST (UK) »

The handwriting could say Denderrow, I reckon (which I suppose would sound like Dundraw! Tongue)

Zat depends on ze accent you 'ave  Kiss

A link to an earlier thread (although the work seems to be finished) http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,273331.0.html
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« Reply #14 on: Monday 21 April 08 21:01 BST (UK) »

Zat depends on ze accent you 'ave  Kiss
Exactement ce que je pensais, alors! Kiss Grin


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