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Keziahemm
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Found a baptism for a William Archer in the BVRI
7th January 1823, Cradley, Herefordshire
son of John Archer and Sarah
and this marriage in the index
John Archer and Sarah Taylor 11th November 1819, Cradley
Will look for siblings of William
Regards
Susan 
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William Archer
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 28 DEC 1822 Cradley, Hereford, England
WILLIAM ARCHER
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 07 JAN 1823 Cradley, Hereford, England
I'm pretty sure this is him... his parents are also listed as John Archer & Sarah, although there is no surname listed for Sarah.
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DuncanFauvel
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Found a baptism for a William Archer in the BVRI 7th January 1823, Cradley, Herefordshire son of John Archer and Sarah and this marriage in the index John Archer and Sarah Taylor 11th November 1819, Cradley Will look for siblings of William Regards Susan
haha excellent, we posted the same info at almost exactly the same time! Great minds think alike and all that. Thank you!
and it appears Sarah DOES have a surname. Excellent.
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genjen
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Ok, here goes with the 1841 census possiblities:
Westbury, Wiltshire: ( This entry is not very clear so I am putting what I believe it says)
Jos. Scott, 55, Clothing Maker/Worker, born in county
Sarah, 40, Weaver, " "
Emma, 15 " "
Ann, 14
Richd,10
F****, 1 week ( can't read this name at all, sorry)
So this just might be your Emma who married William Archer in 1846.
And could this be William with younger brother, Alfred, also in 1841, in Buckinghamshire
Richard Lidington, 35, butcher b.i.c.
Ann, 65 "
Harriet,35 not born in county
Ann, 12 " 2
Sarah, 10 b.i.c.
Elizabeth,9 "
William,7 "
Mary,5 "
Catharine,3 "
James Cave, 20 Butcher I (?) " (maybe it's a J, for journeyman)
William Archer, 16, Butcher App, not born in county
Alfred Archer, 2 " "
Ann Dixon, 16, Servant " "
Alice Shillington, 15 " b.i.c.
What isn't quite clear on this is whether there is a change of household after Catharine (aged 3) and before James Cave. But I can't imagine that a twenty year old butcher would have an apprentice and two servants and Ancestry has it as one large household so I'm going with that.
I still think your best bet is to spend the seven quid on GG Grandfather Charles's birth certificate. You will then know for certain what Emma's maiden name was. If it was Scott, you can then send for the marriage certificate of Emma and William and that will give you both of their fathers' names and occupations. Otherwise we are in the realms of supposition, which could be absolutely fine but which could easily be totally wrong.
Jen
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Keziahemm
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Here's William's siblings christenings all Cradley
Susannah 6th February 1820
John 25th September 1825
Jane 4th November 1827
Mary 6th August 1832
Richard 31st December 1834
Charles 17th May 1840
As there was one born 1840 this family should be in the 1841 census.
Looking in the BVRI there were Archers in Cradley in the 1600s!
Susan
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Keziahemm
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1841
HO107/424 Book 10 folio 17 page 6
Pound Bridge, East and West Cradley
John Archer 40 Ag. Lab. Y (Y = Yes born in county)
Sarah Archer 40 - Y
Charles Archer 1 - Y
and next door - a brother perhaps?
Thomas Archer 40 Ag. Lab. Y
Ann Archer 40 - Y
Thomas Archer 10 - Y
Jane Archer 6 - Y
Susan
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I still think your best bet is to spend the seven quid on GG Grandfather Charles's birth certificate. You will then know for certain what Emma's maiden name was. If it was Scott, you can then send for the marriage certificate of Emma and William and that will give you both of their fathers' names and occupations. Otherwise we are in the realms of supposition, which could be absolutely fine but which could easily be totally wrong.
Jen
Thank you. I think the Scott's definitely seem a good match. I'm going to do as you advise and send off for Charles' birth ceritificate.
I find this very interesting:
Jos. Scott, 55, Clothing Maker/Worker
Sarah, 40, Weaver
as there has been a history of clothing/textiles in my family. In fact, William's son, Charles Archer (my GG Grandfather) was I believe heavily involved in the clothing trade - as a clothing wholesale clerk. Perhaps it could have been his grandparent's influence, if the Scotts are placed correctly.
I think the Archers link may be more tenuous, and I'm swinging more towards the other family we've uncovered. It seems the dates and places match up more.
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Keziahemm
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Back a generation
William Archer and Susannah
christenings all Cradley
Richard 21st July 1795
John 30th April 1797
Ann 21st February1799
Thomas 18th May 1800
William 9th December 1802
Do you want me to carry on? I see some are on the IGI as well as BVRI
Susan
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Here's William's siblings christenings all Cradley Susannah 6th February 1820 John 25th September 1825 Jane 4th November 1827 Mary 6th August 1832 Richard 31st December 1834 Charles 17th May 1840 As there was one born 1840 this family should be in the 1841 census. Looking in the BVRI there were Archers in Cradley in the 1600s! Susan
Brilliant, THANK YOU! I can believe there were Archers there that early; it seems there's a tradition of Archers in Hereford. I'll have to keep note of all these names so I can put them in the tree once they're clarified. I have to say it seems pretty damn likely that they're the right family. There can't have been many Archers in Cradley, and with the dates matching it seems almost perfect.
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Back a generation William Archer and Susannah christenings all Cradley Richard 21st July 1795 John 30th April 1797Ann 21st February1799 Thomas 18th May 1800 William 9th December 1802 Do you want me to carry on? I see some are on the IGI as well as BVRI Susan
So these are the siblings of John Archer, presumed father to my William Archer?
I would greatly appreciate if you continued to help me. I can't thank you enough, this is all excellent.
Were William and Susannah the parents of John?
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I think I'm doing fairly well myself now - there seems to be a definite Archer family in Cradley in the 18th century; in fact I can only find really 1 family of that surname in the town prior to the turn of the century. I've managed to trace them back to the late 17th Century so far (a lot of Johns and Williams has made it very confusing) but it's starting to unfold a bit more I think!
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Keziahemm
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I think I'm doing fairly well myself now -
A great feeling of achievement when you find details yourself - if you need any further help please shout!
William and Susannah were the parents of John 1797; have been looking for a marriage to get Susannah's maiden name but, as yet, haven't found one in the resources I have.
Regards
Susan
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Cheers Susan, it really has been a great help to me. I never would have been able to progress so easily without the help of you both!
The next mystery is an 'Edward Warren', my GGG Grandfather on another side, who I believe was born in Poole, Dorset (this was put as his birthplace on the one census record of him I can find).
He was father to Augustus (GG Grandfather) and 3 daughters, that I know of - Eliza, Elizabeth and Adelisa. The information stops at him and his birth, c.1806.
It's really puzzling me as I can find no information. There are a few Edward Warren's in Marnhull at that time, but none match very well other than in name.
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Aha, I think on the advice of some others on the forum I have found him!
Childs Name Edward Davies WARREN Parents s.o James & Sarah Date 21 Mar 1802 Parish Poole St James
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