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Topic: Desperately seeking Susan DOUGLAS' birth or death dates (Read 960 times)
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Haysom
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Nothing at all showing for her on the OPRs is there  The only clue I could see was the name of what looks like their first born daughter which might connect with the name of Susannah's mother:
GRACE BUCHANAN HARDY Christening: 22 JAN 1840 Dundonald, Ayr, Scotland
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hi Haysom,
I have found the family MI in Crosbie Kirkyard:
Erected by Gabriel Douglas and Margaret Anderson his spouse in memory of their son John who died 17 Oct 1835 aged 6 months and their daughter Chrustina Elizabeth who died 15 Aug 1840 aged 6 yrs. The above Gabriel Douglas died 3rd Sept 1846 aged 62 yrs. His daughter Rhonda died 22 Dec 1846 aged 30 John Anderson Merchant Riccarton died at Troon 17th Aug 1838 aged 87 yrs. His son George died in Petersburg State of Virginia 24th May 1838 aged 39 yrs. The above Margaret anderson died at Glasgow 26th June 1867 aged 71 yrs. Margaret Howat Relict of Henry Thomson died 20th Nov 1908 aged 81 yrs.
Gabriel Douglas by his first marriage had a daughter Rhonda mentioned on the MI above.
Also a daughter Susan b. 1818 married 8th May 1838 (as published in the Ayr Advertiser) to Henry Hardy
Also a daughter Jean b abt 1819 married 27th Feb 1839 as published in the Ayr Advertiser) to Richard Marshall
Margaret Anderson (2nd wife of Gabriel Douglas) had a previous marriage to William Cunningham Howat (farmer) married 25th May 1860 and they had
a daughter Mary Howat b abt 1822 married 9th Nov 1842 (as published in the Ayr Advertiser) to David T Buchanan
a son William Howat b about 1824 d 15 Aug 188? Liverpool (as published in the Ayr Advertiser)
a daughter Margaret listed on the MI above
Gabriel Douglas and Margaret Anderson besides daughter Christina and son John listed on the MI had a daughter Ann b abt 1836 married 2 Jul 1855 to Robert Sturrock.
Gabriel Douglas was living in Templehill in the 1841 census. His daughter Rhonda died in Irvine.
Son John Anderson was possibly married to Mary Boyd who died on 3rd Oct 1832 but it would need to be further researched to confirm this.
Hope this helps
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MonicaLesl
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Phew, LL, that's great info for Haysom 
Were there no details of Gabriel's first wife, mother to Rhonda, Susannah and Jane? Hopefully, sister Jane lived past 1855 to let Haysom confirm her name from her DC.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gabriel Douglas was a very busy man:
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16 Oct 1803 Mary Douglas born to Gabriel DOuglas and Elizabeth Paterson
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13 Mar 1807 George Douglas parents Gabriel Douglas and Elizabeth Paterson
14 Nov 1808 John Douglas parents Gabriel Douglas and Elizabeth Paterson (listed as 4th child)
24 Jul 1810 James Douglas parents Gabriel Douglas and Elizabeth Paterson
03 June 1812 Susanna Dunlop Douglas parents Gabriel Douglas and Elizabeth Paterson (listed as 6th child)
13 July 1814 Rhoda Oliver Douglas parents Gabriel Douglas and Elizabeth PAterson
30 Apr 1820 Jean Douglas parents Gabriel Douglas and Elizabeth Paterson (listed as 10th child for these parents)
28 Oct 1832 Anne Douglas parents Gabriel Douglas and Margaret Anderson
26 Nov 1833 Christina Douglas parents Gabriel Douglas and Margaret Anderson
24 Apr 1835 John Douglas parents Gabriel Douglas and Margaret Anderson (listed as 3rd child)
They must have had quiet the blended family as Margaret ANderson had children from her first marriage also
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Could not find Gabriel's first marriage to Elizabeth Paterson but I did find marriage #2
Marriage cert for Gabriel Douglas and Margaret Anderson (wife 2)
1832 Kilmarnock 28 Feb
Gabriel Douglas block master and Margaret Anderson both in the Sow Church Parish after proclamation were married
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Here is the only birth cert that would fit for Gabriel Douglas:
30 Nov 1784 Gabriel Douglas parents John Douglas and Mary Newton born Jedburgh Roxburgh
John Douglas watchmaker in Jedburgh and Mary Newton had a child born 7th July 1784 baptized the 30th November said year named Gabriel. James Chisholm late Baillie and ?? Elliot Mason both in Jedburgh witnesses
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MonicaLesl
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Birth year would fit for Gabriel given he showed as aged 62 in 1846 so born c. 1784. Perfect fit
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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This looks to be Gabriel in the 1841 census. I'll list as is showing on FreeCen rather than the other index. Everyone showing as born in the county:
Gabriel Douglass 55, inn keeper,
Jane Douglass 45
Richard Douglass 25, Independent
Ann Douglass 5
Marry Gerran 25, servant
James Gibb 20, printer
Margt Nouat 10
Marry Nouat 15
Marry Wallace 15, servant
John Anderson 20, coachman
Address: Tempelhill, Dundonald Ayrshire
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Also at Templehill:
Hillan Hardie, 25 - likely mis transcription of Henry? This is from Freecen, the other index even more misleading....
Robert Hardie, 2
Grace, 1
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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It now gets confusing as I have found another headstone in Crosby Kirkyard that connects Gabriel Douglas and a possbile 3rd wife of his. You will have to do some research to verify the next bits that I send you:
Erected by James Alexander Cabinet Maker, Troon in memory of his children Anna died 27th Jan 1840 aged 5 mnths
William dies 28 Sep 1833 9?) aged 11 mths
Jessie died 28 Aug 1836 (?) aged 19 mnths
Isabella died 22 Dec 1839 aged 9 yrs
The above James ALexander died 27 Oct 1867 aged 76 yrs
His grandson Gabriel Douglas who died in infancy
His son James late of St. Vincent died 29 May 1878 aged 490 yrs
His wife Agnes Tillery died 21 Jul 1893 aged 91 yrs
His daughter Agnes Relict of Mark Thompson dies 30th Nove 1903
And his last surviving daughter Jane who died at Troon 30th May 1906
Notes: Agnes Tillery was the Post Mistress at troon 1855 - 1879
Int eh 1841 census there is also a son Richard aged 10. Either someone has re-chiselled this stone mistaking 3's for 5's or the origional inscriptions had the wrong years. Isabella's death is certainly in Dec 1839 (Ayr Advertiser) and not 1859. Stone erected by Watson & Adam Troon.
Agnes relict of Mark Thompson had a prior marriage to Gabriel Douglas on 14th April 1845 as per Ayr Advertiser. The notice in the AA also indicated that Gabriel Douglas' first wife was Elizabeth Paterson d. 20th April 1831.
There are notes that this Stone and MI are connected with the next two.
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MI Crosby Kirkyard
Erected to the memory of William Tillery who dies 12th APr 1853 aged 82 years after having served His Grace, the Duke of Portland for 36 years as Gardener and Overseer at Fullarton
And his wife Jean Buntine who died 26th May 1850 aged 74 years
and of their sons George Douglas who died at Drumlanrig Castle 31st May 1841 aged 21 years
John who died 2nd Mar 1848 aged 25 years
Notes: William Tillery was living at Lochgreen in the 1841 census and was born Belhelvie, Aberdeen
Succeedes in 1832 as gardener by son William
George Douglas Tillery above possibly named after George Douglas of Rodinghead factor to the Ducke of Portland 1810 - 1826
See also Nicol Brown Tillery in Feu REgister, Feus No 8 and 152 possibly named after Nicol Brown Esq. of Lanfine (Aiton's Ayrshirep.593)
Another son William b. Kilmarnock 1808 and d. Norton Cuckney , Notts England 29 April 1879. See (AA 15th Oct 1874 and 22 May 1879)
Daughter Agnes Married James Alexander (see previous post)
Anotehr daughter Jean (aged 28 yrs in the 1841 census) married Kenneth Ross 26 Mar 1841. Family seems to have emigrated to Canada as per the AA 8th May 1862.
One more stone that is connected
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Last MI that is connected
(base only)
Erected by A. Thompson
In loving memory of her beloved daughter Tina A T Douglas who died 1 sept 1890 (Born 2 Jun 1845)
Notes: Parents of Tina Douglas were Gabriel Douglas (watchmaker) and Agnes Alexander.
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Monica that looks like the right one with Gabriel living Templehill.
I will see if I can find a Robert Hardie death that matches with the 2yr old in the census. I bet they transcribed the name wrong for Henry.
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