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LissaM
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Hello, yet another brick wall,
For several years, been searching for who Elizabeth King, 1st wife of Charles King b. Steeple Clayton living in Aston Clinton ??
Known Information:
1861 Aston Clinton,
Charles King is married to Elizabeth King she is 28 yrs old b. abt 1833 in Bucklebury, Berkshire. No children.
Birth Cert for Fanny King Aston Clinton Aylesbury b. October 19, 1866 (Birth registered on Nov 13, 1866)
Father Charles King Farm Laborer Mother Elizabeth King formerly FORD.
Death Cert for Elizabeth King April ,1868 in Aston Clinton @ age 36 (1832) She dies in the presence of/home of Sarah Sharp
After a very short mourning period  I guess w/ a 2 year old child to care for and you are an ag lab, a long mourning would not have been a reality.......Charles remarries in Oct 1868 to Rhoda Smith; they emigrate in 1870 w/ Charles dau Fanny and Rhoda’s son Harry Smith b. 1859. Have Marriage Cert for Charles & Rhoda Oct 1868 in Aston Clinton.
Fanny dies in the U.S. at age 5 yrs 11 mos 1 day (from her gravestone) gravestone also says “Dau of C and E King”. Using a birth date calculator, puts her birth @ October 6, 1866
The unproven speculations,
In 1841 and 1851 Bucklebury, Berks, finding (possible, Letitia is nee LAVEL/LAVELL m. James Ford in 1831)
James Ford 35 Ag Lab
Latitia Ford 30
Elizabeth Ford 9 (abt 1832) b. Berkshire, England
Thomas Ford 6
George Ford 5
Fanny Ford 4
William Ford 2
Joseph Ford 4 Mo
Mary Ford 4 Mo (Twins ??)
In 1851, a dau Charlotte age 8 is included but Elizabeth, Thomas not present with the family and possible that Joseph has died
1841/1851, Everyone listed as b. in Berkshire.
Possible, 1851 Middlesex, Ealing
Elizabeth FORD age 20 unm b. “Rucklebury, Herts “ maybe " Bucklebury, Berks"  She is a household servant in the Butlin household. I couldn't find a place called "Rucklebury"
Other than this possibility, have not found Elizabeth in 1851.
I have searched and searched everywhere but can not find a Marriage between Charles King and Elizabeth FORD.
There are 2 Charles King marriages in Aylesbury in the right time frame,
1) Elizabeth Rolf Sharpe --- WRONG!!! Tho' on the surface this looks like a match , I have the MC and it is not. Charles Father's name/profession wrong. Development on this Elizabeth for bd etc seem to be all wrong for my Elizabeth as well. Perplexing as Rolf and Sharp/Sharpe are prevalent in Aston Clinton and are neighbors on both sides in the 1861 census to Charles and Elizabeth.
2) Elizabeth Homan -- have not found anything on her at all. IGI has her as Homan or Matthews in a member submitted marriage record. FreeBMD reconfirms the marriage in Dec Qtr 1861. Charles and "my" Elizabeth are together in April, 1861 census. Regardless, can not find any Homan's in Bucklebury, in Berkshire or Bucks!
Possible Elizabeth Ford could have had a previous marriage to a Mr. Homan in another place but haven't found it yet!
Appreciate any new information, help or thoughts!
Thanks so much in advance!
lissa
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LissaM
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Hi Tropical, appreciate your look-ups and response.
I have the christening for that Elizabeth Ford w/ parents James and Letitia. I have some pretty detailed research on the Ford family done in the process of looking for Elizabeth and trying to tie them together w/ Charles King and placing her in Aston Clinton. At the moment, she is the most likely candidate but still no real "proof" or reasonable verification.
I mentioned above the problem with Elizabeth Homan is the marriage is registered in Dec Qtr 1861 -- so they could have registered the marriage late or been living together unmarried, I suppose in the 1861 census What do you think ??
Hmmmm, the under 21 marriage could be the case. I didn't know that they would not be recorded -- so that is new and useful info -- even if it doesn't provide any leads!
On the dau's BC, would the mother's true maiden name have been the only name listed ?? If there was a 1st marriage would it have not been indicated as a policy or just oversight ??
AIYIYI!
Thanks much!!
lissa
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sillgen
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Hi
As far as I am aware all Marriages after 1837 have both bride and groom in the GRO index - regardless of age. Prior to 1837 you need to know the parish where the marriage took place. There may be licences that you can look for in addition to the parish register if one party was under age.
Andrea
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LissaM
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Hi again, Pam! appreciate your further interest and all the extra details you have provided. That's helpful in drawing some conclusions as to why Elizabeth is not easily found.
Charles has a history of being a "rescuer" -- his 2nd wife (Rhoda Smith) seems to have been rescued from difficult circumstances by him as well --- so that may have been the case with Elizabeth also.
I have speculated that IF she was married to Mr. Homan prior to Charles that it was perhaps a difficult marriage in some way. At this point , making up stories is just as good as anything since I'm not feeling hopeful as to putting the real pieces of the puzzle together 
One thought from your comment that Charles and Elizabeth could have lived together, I've been looking for their marriage before 1861 but have only looked in passing after 1861 thinking that would have been too late!! So will cruise through 1861-1866 when dau Fanny was born later tonite.
Again, many thanks for your helpful background information.
lissa
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LissaM
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Also, think I will just go ahead and order the MC for the Elizabeth Homan and see what it says !!! Was thinking it was a waste of time/money, but maybe not and at least maybe it will provide definitive information!
Thanks again Pam and Andrea!!
lissa
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That is very odd about the index. Are you looking in the FreeBMD version Pam? That is not full coverage so the brides do not always show up. If you look at the full index then there is always a corresponding entry for the bride - but you need to know the name to check it so I agree it is useless if you are searching without knowing her name.
Lissa - it might be better to write to the local office about the certificate. you can then tell them as much as you know about the couple and they will not charge you if it is the wrong one. For instance if the Charles on the certificate is a "gentleman" or "shoemaker" then he is unlikely to be your ag lab. You could also give his and her approximate age as a check point. Just a thought to save you a bit of money!
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LissaM
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Hi Pam and Andrea, took another run through the BMD's last nite looking for a later marriage (1861-1868) --- still nothing.
IF there was an earlier marriage and it was in Ealing (where the possible 1851 Elizabeth was living) it seems those records are incomplete which may be the problem.
Good suggestion Andrea, on requesting info before ordering the cert for Elizabeth Homan but from the US, I think easier to just order the MC !! GRO has made that incredibly easy and convenient and price not too awful.
Many thanks again to you both for the information and help you provided.
lissa
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