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BUTCHER family, Horsmonden
« on: Tuesday 22 April 08 17:29 BST (UK) »

I wonder if anyone can help.  I'm trying to find information regarding the Butcher family from Horsmonden.   

This is what I have so far, such as it is:

Thomas (b. abt. 1800 - not sure where) married in 1821 to Elizabeth (nee Pearson) b. abt. 1802, Horsmonden.   Thomas died abt. 1843 and Elizabeth abt. 1851 both  in Horsmonden.

They had 12 children:
James abt. 1821:  William abt. 1822:  Sarah abt. 1823:  Thomas abt. 1824:  Charles abt. 1826:  Elizabeth abt. 1828:  John T. abt. 1829:  Mary abt. 1831:  George abt. 1835:  Jane abt. 1838:  Edwin abt. 1841 and finally, Emily abt. 1843.

Apart from Charles (upon whom my information is pretty scant), and William who pops up once in the 1851 census, I can find nothing else about this family.

Getting to the point (finally), can anyone find this family in any census?  In particular, I'm looking for information on Charles (my g.g.grandfather), his brothers William and John who both emigrated to Shiawassee, Michigan (and died there in 1903 and 1909 respectively) and Edwin who went to New Zealand and died there.

Any help would be very much appreciated.
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Re: BUTCHER family, Horsmonden
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 17:36 BST (UK) »

Hi Mogsmum,

In 1851:

James is in Northfleet, married to a Hannah (HO107/1609 97 37)

William, married to Jane, is at Yalding (which you have)

George is lodging at Sutton at Hone (HO107/1607 685 7)

John is a farm servant at Horsmonden (HO107/1615 494 8 )

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Re: BUTCHER family, Horsmonden
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 17:39 BST (UK) »

Do you have Charles in 1851 yet? Was he married to an Elizabeth Hicks? I think he's a Horsmonden HO107/1616 77 7

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Re: BUTCHER family, Horsmonden
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 17:41 BST (UK) »

Elizabeth is still alive in 1851, living with Edwin, Jane and Emily! HO107/1615 494 9  Smiley
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Re: BUTCHER family, Horsmonden
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 17:48 BST (UK) »

Did you have 1841?

1841
HO107/459/11 21 12 & 13
Horsmonden, Kent
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Thos Butchers, 50, Ag lab
Elizabeth, 40
Charles, 15, Ag lab
Elizabeth, 13
John, 11
Mary, 9
Sarah, 7
George, 6
Jane, 3
Edwin, 1

All born in county
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Re: BUTCHER family, Horsmonden
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 17:56 BST (UK) »

When did the boys emigrate, any idea?

Marriage Dec 1860 Tunbridge 2a 723
Jane Butcher(s) / James Allcorn

1861
RG9/496 130 25
Horsmonden, Kent
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James Allcorn, head, 27, Ag lab, b. Horsmonden
Jane, wife, 23, b. do.
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Re: BUTCHER family, Horsmonden
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 18:43 BST (UK) »

Emily BUTCHER married George FAIRMAN September quarter 1871 Dartford registration district 2a 532 http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ and her sister, Sarah, married a HAZELDEN:

1881

108 Dartford Rd, Dartford

George FAIRMAN head mar 41 lab b.Crayford
Emily wife 38 b.Horsmonden
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Sarah HAZELDEN head wid 47 laundress b.Horsmonden
Walter son 14 b.Dartford
Henry 10 or 6 b.Dartford

RG11/865 folio 98 page 51
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1891

108 Dartford Road, Dartford

Sarah HAZELDEN head wid 57 laundress b.Horsmonden
Walter son 24 profiler at gun factory b.Dartford
Henry son 16 apprentice at iron factory b.Dartford
Emily sister wid 48 laundress b.Horsmonden

RG12/639 folio 97 page 62
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1901

260 Dartford Rd, Dartford

Sarah HAZELDEN head wid 67 laundress b.Horsmonden
Walter son 34 profiler (metal) b.Dartford
Henry son 26 turner (metal) b.Dartford
Emily FAIRMAN sister unm 58 laundress b.Horsmondeon

RG13/703 folio 94 page 40

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Re: BUTCHER family, Horsmonden
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 18:55 BST (UK) »

Hi
There is another thread about Edwin Butcher so it might be worth linking them.
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Re: BUTCHER family, Horsmonden
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 19:00 BST (UK) »

I don't know about the emigration to New Zealand part but the Edwin BUTCHER who married Harriett Ann PARSONS doesn't look like the chap from Horsmonden - he was born in London according to 1881/1891/1901

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300496.0.html

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Re: BUTCHER family, Horsmonden
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 19:29 BST (UK) »

Aren't these ancestors annoying!   Thanks for sorting that out Casalguidi.
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Re: BUTCHER family, Horsmonden
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 22 April 08 20:49 BST (UK) »

Hi Mogsmum

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Thomas died abt. 1843 and Elizabeth abt. 1851 both  in Horsmonden.


Are you sure Elizabeth died about 1851

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Elizabeth is still alive in 1851, living with Edwin, Jane and Emily! HO107/1615 494 9

1861 - Heath, Horsmonden

Elizabeth BUTCHER head wid 59 ag lab's wife almswoman b.Horsmonden
Sarah BRADFORD grandau 10 b.Northfleet
Thomas grandson 8 b.Northfleet

RG9/496 folio 121 page 7
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1871 - Horsmonden

Elizabeth BUTCHER head wid 69 pauper b.Horsmonden
Edward MERCER lodger wid 77 ag lab b.Horsmondeon

RG10/936 folio 55 page 31
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1851 - Hir...? Place, Northfleet, Kent

Jesse BRADFORD head mar 27 lab b.Horsmonden
Elizabeth wife 24 b.Horsmonden
Sarah dau 5/8? b.Northfleet

HO107/1609 folio 96 page 35

Elizabeth BUTCHER married Jesse BRADFORD 1850 see http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

A possible for Mary ...................

1871 - Bengeo Street, Bengeo, Hertfordshire

William ASHBY head mar 36? gardener b.Pembury Kent
Mary wife 38 b.Horsmonden Kent
Mary A dau 7 b.Pembury Kent
Eliza dau 6 b.Tottenham Middlesex
William H son 3 b.Tottenham
Charlotte F? dau 1 b.Hertford Herts
Elizabeth E dau 2m b.Hertford Herts

RG10/1372 folio 45 page 40

Possible marriage Mary BUTCHERS with one of the two possible spouses a William ASHBY 1861 West Ham registration district Undecided

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Re: BUTCHER family, Horsmonden
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 19:46 BST (UK) »

Wow thanks for that.   One day I'll (hopefully) work out why I can search for hours and find nothing and yet, when someone says 'isn't this them?'  it all becomes so blindingly obvious as to be embarrassing.

The mystery of Edwin Butcher will be solved another time - clearly mine and the migrant aren't one and the same.   I know, being helpful, someone will suggest trying to make a connection between the two but, for now, you've all given me so much that I shall spend the next few evenings happily trying to marry them altogether (figuratively speaking you understand!).   Ooooh look - AgLabs, what a surprise  Shocked

I am really grateful for your help.   Thank you.

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