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Josiah PRATER 1823-1855 Crantock
« on: Wednesday 23 April 08 01:18 BST (UK) »

Found an interesting little titbit while searching Crantock this morning on a lookup and thought junket or other Prater researchers may like him. He hasn't been asked about but........  Wink

Josiah PRATER was baptised 27 Dec 1823 Crantock parents Josiah and Elizabeth Husbandman of Halwyn itp

Josiah PRATER (A Maniac) of Halwyn was buried 27 Feb 1855 Crantock aged 31 years  Shocked

Wonder if he was in the Asylum  Cry

Josiah PRATER otp = Elizabeth JENKIN otp by Banns 6 Aug 1814 Crantock Both signed (Elizabeth signed Elizabeth C Jenkin) witnesses Andrew Jenkin and John B Vivian

Cheers Kris  Cheesy
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Re: Josiah PRATER 1823-1855 Crantock
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 06:57 BST (UK) »

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Hi ya Kris.

Thank you for this bit of information.

OH says, he must be related !!  lol

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Re: Josiah PRATER 1823-1855 Crantock
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 07:15 BST (UK) »


OH says, he must be related !!  lol


LOL You will have to tell OH I didn't like to say that Grin

Still I am sure there will be a sad story attached to this poor chap also. Just thought it was an interesting titbit to see in the burial register...............Kris  Cheesy
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Re: Josiah PRATER 1823-1855 Crantock
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 07:49 BST (UK) »

I wonder what happened - Why is he a maniac?  In 1851 if this is him, he is in Middlesex

HO107/1538/348/7
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PRATER Joseph Head 28 Mar b Crantock Carpenter Journeyman
PRATER Jane Harriet Wife 22 Mar b St Lukes Middlesex

Now in 1841 in Crantock we either have 2 Joseph Prater's aged 15 (Male Servant's) or one working at 2 different places in Crantock one at Pentire and one at Churchtown  Undecided Do you know if there are two? I am only seeing the one in 1851. Best I recheck the baptisms and make sure............Kris  Cheesy
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Re: Josiah PRATER 1823-1855 Crantock
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 07:51 BST (UK) »

 Smiley

Getting worried, when it's in both sides of the family, though............. lol.

I have Josiah, son of Josiah and Elizabeth carrivick Jenkin.
siblings, if my research is correct  ..
Hannah
Christiana
Andrew
Richard Jenkin
Thomas
William
Elizabeth Carrivick

William, married a Sarah Abrahams and after she died, he married an Eliza / Elizabeth and here is another little interesting tibit ........................

JACK THE RIPPER
A CAST OF THOUSANDS
BY CHRISTOPHER SCOTT
(c) 2004
Elizabeth Prater

Elizabeth Prater was a witness at Mary Jane Kelly's inquest and lived in the room above Kelly in Miller's Court at the time of the murder. Prater's story is a complex one in that she had had children by at least two different men and lived intermittently with her husband, William Prater. It also appears that her birth name was Eliza and not Elizabeth

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Re: Josiah PRATER 1823-1855 Crantock
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 08:03 BST (UK) »

I wonder what happened - Why is he a maniac?  In 1851 if this is him, he is in Middlesex

HO107/1538/348/7
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PRATER Joseph Head 28 Mar b Crantock Carpenter Journeyman
PRATER Jane Harriet Wife 22 Mar b St Lukes Middlesex

Now in 1841 in Crantock we either have 2 Joseph Prater's aged 15 (Male Servant's) or one working at 2 different places in Crantock one at Pentire and one at Churchtown  Undecided Do you know if there are two? I am only seeing the one in 1851. Best I recheck the baptisms and make sure............Kris  Cheesy

I have this Joseph, son of Francis Prater and Elizabeth Dennis, bapt May 25, 1820, Crantock.
He married Jane Harriet LARKIN.

I only have Josiah bapt December 27, 1823, son of Josiah Prater and Elizabeth Carricick Jenkin.  No other info. on him, at present.

( This info only correct, if my brain was working on that day .. lol )

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Re: Josiah PRATER 1823-1855 Crantock
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 08:15 BST (UK) »

Be Ware junket - It is all around you. You will have to find out what happened.

OK I have rechecked the PR's and there is a Joseph son of Francis and Elizabeth 4 June 1820. If one is him then in 1841 he should be listed as aged 20 not 15, and we have two 15 year olds.............If there are two the other one must be somewhere in 1851, still the census and burial age do fit with 1823.........................Kris  Cheesy

Oh rightyo junket - will see how he ages  Wink
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Re: Josiah PRATER 1823-1855 Crantock
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 08:28 BST (UK) »

OK junket,

Yes that looks OK. He stays Joseph and gives an age to match well with Francis's son. Back to the drawing board - Josiah must be somewhere.

Your baptism date is wrong btw - I am sitting here looking at the entry

Joseph PRATER 4 June 1820 parents Francis and Elizabeth father shoemaker of Halwyn itp.........Kris  Cheesy
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Re: Josiah PRATER 1823-1855 Crantock
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 08:30 BST (UK) »

I've got a fair idea of what happpened to him ................. he decided one day, to discover his Prater roots.  He asked those nearest to him, who had no idea, he asked firther afield and he was bedazzled by numerous theories, none of which had definite sources of information and he went insane ..............lol

I know, because it happens to Cornish Prater descendants  researching their line back to Wiltshire............  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

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Re: Josiah PRATER 1823-1855 Crantock
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 08:43 BST (UK) »

 Smiley Thanks Kris, I have amended my record, must have had a 'Prater moment' there lol.  Goodness knows, where I got that date from..it's not one of the kids or mine...it's not IGI ....

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Re: Josiah PRATER 1823-1855 Crantock
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 08:45 BST (UK) »

Do you know anything about a marriage of a Joseph Prater in 1846 St Col District to Mary or Grace? I don't see them in the census..............Kris  Cheesy


I know, because it happens to Cornish Prater descendants  researching their line back to Wiltshire............  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

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Re: Josiah PRATER 1823-1855 Crantock
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 09:01 BST (UK) »

 Grin

I don't have details of that couple, sorry Kris.

I do a bit now and again on these Praters, but they do give us headaches, especially, when we go back to William, who died in 1647 and try to link him to Nunney and Wiltshire.

I enjoyed those Buckthoughts, so much more..........

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Re: Josiah PRATER 1823-1855 Crantock
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 09:42 BST (UK) »

Couldn't find any more on the 1846 marriage unfortunately.

Been Having a read of Elizabeth and the Jack the Ripper Case.

http://www.casebook.org/official_documents/inquests/inquest_kelly.html

Marriage lists her as Eliza WICKES Sep 1/4 1873 Shoreditch 1c 258.

Seems William returned, they are together in 1891.

You certainly have some interesting people in your tree.......Kris  Cheesy
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Re: Josiah PRATER 1823-1855 Crantock
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 09:49 BST (UK) »

not relating to these Praters but i remember you had a case of two Praters with the same forename being born to the same set of parents (Thomas or William maybe my memory defeats me now) anyhow the first child had not died. (an nor the second for that matter)
recently i discovered that if there are two surviving children with the same [fore]name might indicate that there was an agreement or something so that the rental of land / property could be passed on upon the death of the predecessor / occuiper without any hassle - does this make sense to you i am not good at explaining things!

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Re: Josiah PRATER 1823-1855 Crantock
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 10:16 BST (UK) »

Yes Kris, it does make good reading.  That bit of info., came from a Prater cousin descended from William, ( she is on here, but I can't remember her name on here ).

Yes toni, you have remembered correctly, will have to check his name though. ( William, Francis and Thomas were the family names ... ).

Thank you for that bit of information.  I hadn't heard of this and would like to know more, if possible please.

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