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tickle
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Can anyone give me a primary source (ie Marriage Register) for the marriage of John Ellsworth to Lucia Bower 20 Dec 1613 in Cambridgeshire, England, or his birth on 3 Feb 1578 also in Cambridgeshire. (Note: Ancestral File is not a primary source, it is a fairy tale!)
I would like to give a prize to the first person who can give me the information, but I don't think it will be forthcoming. Or perhaps you know better?
Thanks
Tickle
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Alder - Berks
Benning/Bening -Tottenham, Middx, & Cambs
Brook - Suffolk/Cambs
Burton - Kent, Sussex, Hants
Ellington - Suffolk/Cambs
Elsworth - New York
Grasemann - Germany & London
Howels - Hants
Mitchell - Sussex, Surrey
Norman - Cambs
Oldham - Lancs
Petley - Suffolk
Raines - Co Cork, Ireland
Rysdyck - Netherlands, & New York State
Ryder - Cheshire/Lancs
Urmson - Cheshire
Webb - Cambs
West - Hants
Westley - Cambs
Woodham - Cambs, Beds, Essex
Wrixon - Co Cork, Ireland
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bedfordshire boy
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What amazes me is that scores of Americans copy each others trees perpetuating the place name Eelstown, or Eletown, Cambs. There is no such place, either in Cambs or anywhere else in England. So where did all the Ellsworth births and deaths come from, at a time when only baptisms and burials were recorded in parish registers? Has someone with a vivid imagination linked the surname Ellsworth with the place name Elsworth in Cambs, and turned it into Eelstown? Odd that precise dates should be linked with a non-existent parish!
Is there any real evidence as to the birthplace and parentage of Josiah Ellsworth who died in Hartford Conn? If Eelstown is fictitious, could John and Lucia be equally fictitious?
Apart from the fantasy entries on the IGI I can find no trace of a surname Ellsworth in Cambs
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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tickle
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Hello David
Thanks for replying. It's not just me then! You've obviously been playing with this one for some time as well. I actually contacted the son of the person who posted some of the the original information some years ago, and he had absolutely no idea where this came from. I have checked Pembrokeshire records (sparse they are,) for Lucia Bower's death/will and drawn a complete blank. I have checked both Holy Trinity, and St Mary, Ely, and Elsworth parish registers, another blank, and if you go into the various Ancestral Files on LDS the dates vary wildly. They also put Bristol in Cambridgeshire!!!! There doesn't appear to be a primary source for the baptism of Josiah Ellsworth, or Theophilus/Stoffell Elsworth in Bristol. I even investigated Timberscombe in Somerset!
There has to be an original 'source' for this rubbish somewhere. Meanwhile there are a lot of people out there perpetuating the myth. It's a great pity we can't zap the Ancestral file, but it appears that once sealed, it's there for ever, which I find grossly irresponsible on the part of the LDS. It's a pity that they don't operate a central forum so that these incorrect or dubious entries can be challenged. Rant over!
Thanks for getting in touch, If you do ever find the answer. please let me know and I shall do likewise for you.
Take care
Tickle
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Alder - Berks
Benning/Bening -Tottenham, Middx, & Cambs
Brook - Suffolk/Cambs
Burton - Kent, Sussex, Hants
Ellington - Suffolk/Cambs
Elsworth - New York
Grasemann - Germany & London
Howels - Hants
Mitchell - Sussex, Surrey
Norman - Cambs
Oldham - Lancs
Petley - Suffolk
Raines - Co Cork, Ireland
Rysdyck - Netherlands, & New York State
Ryder - Cheshire/Lancs
Urmson - Cheshire
Webb - Cambs
West - Hants
Westley - Cambs
Woodham - Cambs, Beds, Essex
Wrixon - Co Cork, Ireland
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bedfordshire boy
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Hi Tickle
No, I looked at it for half an hour after I read your post. I know how difficult it can be to prove where a party to a marriage was from, even if he lived only two villages away, and pre 1754 it's even more difficult. I've seen enough US immigrants to know that it can be nigh on impossible to pin them down in England, or Wales, or wherever. And when Ancestral File or member submissions on the IGI have exact dates but no parish (or the parish is nonsense as in this case) then I start smelling rats.
I totally agree with your view of Ancestral Files, which is one of of my hobby horses too! The problem is that when enough gullible people just copy what they see there, and then publish their own tree online, eventually a critical mass builds up and anyone starting out looks at it and thinks "well if everyone has that it must be right"
Good luck
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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tickle
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Hello David
I agree with you about the whiff of rodent. I find it truly amazing that people accept all this twaddle at face value without bothering to check it. I even check primary sources, and if I have 2 primary sources which corroborate each other my cup runneth over! I get thoroughly ungruntled as well by these people who link them selves into a pedigree which traces their ancestry back to Charlemagne and Gog and Magog. Haven't these people ever heard of milkmen, or a roll in the hay on a summer night? (I seem to remember that was a bit scratchy, but never mind.)
Our ancestors' paths may have crossed at some point. My 5x great grandfather John Woodham farmed Gastlings at Southill untill 1771 and the family were at Stanfordbury until the late 1700s.
Take care
Tickle
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Alder - Berks
Benning/Bening -Tottenham, Middx, & Cambs
Brook - Suffolk/Cambs
Burton - Kent, Sussex, Hants
Ellington - Suffolk/Cambs
Elsworth - New York
Grasemann - Germany & London
Howels - Hants
Mitchell - Sussex, Surrey
Norman - Cambs
Oldham - Lancs
Petley - Suffolk
Raines - Co Cork, Ireland
Rysdyck - Netherlands, & New York State
Ryder - Cheshire/Lancs
Urmson - Cheshire
Webb - Cambs
West - Hants
Westley - Cambs
Woodham - Cambs, Beds, Essex
Wrixon - Co Cork, Ireland
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