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Hi John
Strange one
Riseley PR is on the BVRI post 1812 but no sign of an Elizabeth dau of Stephen baptised c1831. The penultimate Stephen/Martha child was Henry on 24 Oct 1824 then a big gap until Jonathan on 10 Aug 1837
The position is made more difficult by the presence of another Stephen with wife Rebecca who were baptising children 1828-33 (this Rebecca was buried age 38 on 10 June 1835)
and Stephen and Jane who baptised 3 children 1814-15 (I'd have thought this was the same Stephen who married Martha but I can't see a burial of Jane)
There was definitely another child whose baptism I can't see - another Stephen age 23 son of Stephen married in Riseley on 2 June 1857. But which Stephen was he the son of?
There are three Stephen burials in Riseley - 25 May 1837 age 40, 24 Nov 1843 age 80, and 16 Feb 1851 age 53.
Finally found them in 1841 as Dockins. What dock transcribed it? Elizabeth 11, Stephen 6, Jonathan 3 are with Stephen 40 and Martha 45 but it's too faint to read. I'll dust off the CDrom and confirm the details
David
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How Ancestry manage to turn a perfectly clear page into something so faint as to be illegible is beyond me. Thanks to Stepping Stones the page reads
Riseley
Stephen Dickens 40 bricklayer
Martha Dickens 45
Ann Dickens 14
Elizabeth Dickens 11
Stephen Dickens 6
Jonathan Dickens 3
All born in county
Do you want the baptisms of all their children from the BVRI? For some reason they seem to have missed Elizabeth and Stephen
David
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I can see them in 1851 now. The enumerator has transposed Elizabeth and Martha so Elizabeth appears as the head widow 57 and Martha as 20 daughter. Fortunately sons Stephen 16 and Jonathan 13 confirm what's happened
OK, that's sorted, sun's just come out, Stephan's on holiday this week so we'd better go out!
David
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9 Oct 1822 age 29 at Riseley
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Ha ha! Miracles are instant, the impossible takes a bit longer
Can you get any clues from their respective children? Was the second son named either Daniel or Thomas after Sarah's father?
Any clues from the witnesses at the respective marriages?
Daniel & Sarah's first daughter was Mary. But both mothers of the two Sarahs was Mary, so rule that one out! Their first son was John and the second was Thomas, which if they followed the usual naming pattern might indicate that Daniel's wife was the one baptised on 25 Oct. On the other hand it might not. I assume she was the Sarah buried on 6 July 1849 age 48 ie born before 6 July 1801, which could fit either but more likely the first baptised Sarah ie daughter of Daniel & Mary
I can't see that Philip and Sarah baptised any children at all, although they had George and Sophia with them in 1841. But in 1851 this Sarah gave her age as 50 ie born prior to 30 March 1801. If she alive in 1861 and gave her age as 59 I don't want to know!
On balance I have to say that I don't know. I'll cogitate on it while I'm cutting my elderly neighbour's patch of weeds which she calls a lawn. I put some some weed and feed on it a few days ago and it's likely to be bare earth by now.
David
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Sorry, forgot the starter for 10. Who was Philip?
Philip Dickens married Sophia in Riseley in 1801 but I can't see they baptised any children. Philip's census ages put his birth at c1802, so he might have been an unbaptised child of Philip & Sophia.
Best I can come up at short notice
David
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With or without a burial of Sophia, Philip who married Sophia in 1801 couldn't have been the same Philip who married Sarah in 1821 as he was only 49 in 1851. I suspect they were father and son, but in the absence of a baptism I can't prove it. Philip and Sarah also had a George living with them in 1841 (over the page).
The only Sophia Dickens burial was at Keysoe on 6 May 1834 age 38 so she can be ruled out. But there is a Philip Dickens at Riseley on 1 Jan 1805 (and another aged 70 on 15 Sep 1839), although I can't see a remarriage of Sophia
David
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I wondered the same thing but there's a Sophia Hancock aged 30 in Riseley in 1841 with a number of children, including Frederick 6, but no William. Another couple in Riseley who didn't go in for baptising their kids, although there are a pair on the BVRI who look like late ones - Mary Ann in 1840 and John in 1847, plus a possible Frederick in Bedford in 1861. Sophia appears to have a married Richard Warrick judging by 1851 when she was 46 - the right age for her to have been a daughter of Philip and Sophia - along with Frederick Hancock son, 16*
There's a William Hancock age 40 buried at Riseley on 27 Feb 1839 so you are probably right as to the 1798 baptism
But I still can't see what happened to the Sophia married 1801
David
*Later - the IGI has her marriage to Richard Warwick which shows her father as Isaac Dickens, so she wasn't the daughter of Philip and Sophia. She's not on the IGI either. Was the whole village non-conformist? They tended to marry within the faith, so perhaps you're right about them keeping it in the family
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