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Alice Rockall at Watlington?
« on: Wednesday 23 April 08 17:28 BST (UK) »

In 1821, Alice Rockall m. Samuel Whale at Stokenchurch.
Other Rockalls from Stokenchurch have Watlington/Turville links, so I wondered if there might be an Alice Rockall c. at Watlington abt 1789?

I know of a Samuel Rockall c. at Watlington 24 Feb 1744, who married
1) Ann West in 1776 at Turville
2) Catherine West in 1792 in London.

If Alice belongs to this family group, it is likely that she may have been c. West, not Rockall, as she was born before Samuel and Catherine tied the knot?

If she does not belong to this family, my only other option so far, is that Alice might have been widowed ......
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Re: Alice Rockall at Watlington?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 17:56 BST (UK) »

There was a William Rockall, who m. Alice Ann Cox in 1810 at Ibstone.
He says in 1851, that he came from Hambleden.....

It is thought that the father of the Samuel c. at Watlington in 1744 came from the Hambleden area, so maybe there are other Rockalls, including my Alice,  down at Hambleden?
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Re: Alice Rockall at Watlington?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 24 April 08 15:41 BST (UK) »

I looked through my Watlington PRs (CD from Oxon FHS) and I nearly missed your Alice, thanks to the spelling-variety-performance of the clerk, but I think this is her:

baptised 1789 Apr 19 Alice RACHEL d/o John & Sarah

John ROCKEL married Sarah Holly Oct 18 1788 in Watlington.

The only siblings I could find were:

1791 Oct 10 Susanna ROCKEL d/o John & Sarah
1795 Dec 25 Ann ROCKALL d/o John & Sarah

There are also the following two burials in Watlington:

1819 Mar 21 John ROCKHILL age 55
1826 Nov 12 Sarah ROCKHILL age 61

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John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
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Re: Alice Rockall at Watlington?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 25 April 08 07:39 BST (UK) »

Thank you so much!
I have found all sorts of different spellings of Rockall.... the censuses can be a nightmare to search?

I think it's time I bought the OFHS CD with Watlington on it, as there are many links from there to Stokenchurch... but I also want the CD with Lewnor and Aston Rowant on it..... and the one with Henley.....  and Chinnor......
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Was Turville not part of Oxfordshire back in 1841?

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Re: Alice Rockall at Watlington?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 25 April 08 10:26 BST (UK) »

I know - these parishes are so close to each other that you buy one CD then find you need another, then another!  Roll Eyes

They're not exactly cheap, but so much more convenient than the cheaper alternative: fiches - unless you have your own private fiche reader, that is. (I don't).

Yes, I believe Turville was in Bucks at that time. You can buy a CD of marriages which includes Turville from S&N, but I'm not sure of the availability of any Turville baptism/burial PRs.

If you need anything looking up in the Turville marriages, just shout (I lie to my bank manager!!!  Cool)

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John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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Re: Alice Rockall at Watlington?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 26 April 08 06:29 BST (UK) »

I remember finding Turville marriages on the IGI, I think?
It's the c &b records that I would love to search.... the same goes for Hambleden.... a number of my Stokenchurch bods have relatives lurking there, as yet undetected!?

Well spotted, with finding Alice though. I must be getting careless; I usually trawl through the records for a few years looking for the first name, parents etc, but I didn't think she was at Stokenchurch!
Rule No1 of family history research..... always expect the unexpected?
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With regard to Watlington; are there a lot of Rockall records there?
I shall have to start paying you by the hour, for doing my research for me?!
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Re: Alice Rockall at Watlington?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 26 April 08 11:51 BST (UK) »

really sorry, patannk - it's all finally getting to me!! One day I'll meet myself coming back!!

For the baptisms and marriages that I found - read Stokenchurch not Watlington!!  Embarrassed

Only one other Rockell baptism there - way back in 1723 (and no other Rachel either!).

As for Watlington, yes - a few earlier Rockell (etc) CMBs but I couldn't see a likely baptism for John.

Sorry about the mix up.

Jill



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John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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Re: Alice Rockall at Watlington?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 26 April 08 13:59 BST (UK) »

No worries!
I had already realised they were Stokenchurch, as I recognised the other records you mentioned.
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John probably came from Marlow or Hambleden......
I have the OFHS CD with Fingest, Pishill, Ibstone and Stokenchurch on it, so have found a few other Rockalls in the area, but the 1841 and 1851 censuses seem to connect Marlow and Hambleden to the Stokenchurch/Turville/Watlington crowd...
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Re: Alice Rockall at Watlington?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 26 April 08 14:22 BST (UK) »

There's a John Rockall baptised in Great Marlow 4 June 1770 s/o James & Mary - if that's any help.

I borrowed the Hambleden PRs from Bucks GS a while back and I remember there being quite a lot of Rockalls, especially in the early days, because I started off writing then down as I thought they just might be the parish clerk's version of my surname - Russell. When it became clear that it was a separate surname, I stopped making a note of them. Shoot me now!!  Roll Eyes

Not being local, I've found that the best way to get to the PRs for this area (not that well covered on the IGI) is to join Bucks FHS or Bucks GS - both of which let members borrow PR transcriptions (N.B. they haven't got everything available for borrowing) or to request name searches by Bucks FHS - neither of which options are particularly expensive (but, like I said, I lie to my bank manager!!  Wink)

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Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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Re: Alice Rockall at Watlington?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 27 April 08 06:23 BST (UK) »

I had noticed that there were Rockalls at Medmenham in 1841, but hadn't realised how close this was to Marlow.
So I looked on the IGI (semper speratus) and voila! c&m records......
I am not quite sure how this little enclave fits into the larger picture, but patience! while I sort out all the Johns, Anns and Sarahs.....?

To change the subject; I see you have Shepherd relatives?
Were yours from around the Stokenchurch/Pishill area?
My Sarah Shepherd said that she came from Upper Assendon, so she is probably listed in the parishes surrounding Stonor.... but then again, maybe she just lived there for a while....
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Re: Alice Rockall at Watlington?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 27 April 08 11:33 BST (UK) »

Hi,

I have 2 branches of Shepherds, but neither come from Oxon/Bucks.

One is from Notts and the other - my gggrandfather in the picture - is all the way from Aberdeen!

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Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp  Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp  Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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