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JOHN GREEN
« on: Wednesday 23 April 08 17:51 BST (UK) »

Has anyone information on John Green b 1851 married Maria Cooper from Sussex area.
Mainly interested in info prior to this date  on John, &  further on Maria's Dob etc.

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Re: JOHN GREEN
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 18:02 BST (UK) »

Hi Facellia,

Is this your family in 1881?
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=22161373

1851
HO107/1651 377 1
Angmering, Sussex
Cuckhalds? Gate

John Green, head, wid?, 50, Ag lab, b. Angmering
Mary, dau, 29, Housekeeper, b. do.
George, son, 11, b. do. - dumb
John, grandson, 5 months, b. do.

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Re: JOHN GREEN
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 18:10 BST (UK) »

This might be John in 1861:

1861
RG9/615 85 1
Angmering, Sussex 
Cripples Gate

(just next door to John Green sr too!)
Charles Clevett, head, 36, Ag lab, b. Sussex Clapham?
Mary, wife, 39, b. Angmering
John, son, 10, scholar, b. do.
Luke, son, 8, scholar, b. do.
Arthur, son, 5, scholar, b. do.
Fanny, dau, 3, scholar, b. do.
Thomas, son, 1, b. do.

(Marriage Dec 1852 Worthing  2b 463 Mary Green - Charles Clevatt)
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Re: JOHN GREEN
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 18:23 BST (UK) »

Maria gives her birth place as Storrington in 1891 so this looks like a possible:

1871
RG10/1110 109 2
Patching, Sussex
Mitchell Grove Lodge

Emery Cooper, head, 51, Ag lab, b. Sussex Rudgwick
Caroline, wife, 47, b. Storrington
Susanah, dau, 21, b. do.
William, son, 14, Ag lab, b. do.
Maria, dau, 12, scholar, b. do.
Henry, son, 10, scholar, b. do.
Albert, son, 6, scholar, b. do.
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Re: JOHN GREEN
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 22:23 BST (UK) »

Thank you very much Tati, some of the info sounds as though it could be what I am looking for.
Will check further.
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Re: JOHN GREEN b 1851 Sussex.
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 22:43 BST (UK) »

To continue my search from John Green above, can anyone help with further information on his children. His wife was Maria

They had 4 children.  3 of which I am unable to find more details on. Nelly or Nellie  Harriet b 1888.
Henry G. b1892 & Arthur, b poss 1893/4.

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Re: JOHN GREEN
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 April 08 06:31 BST (UK) »

Do you have the 1891 & 1901 census details yet? No Arthur showing ...

1891
RG12/839 99 2
Patching, Sussex
Mitchelgrove Rd
Cottages

John Green, head, 40, Groom General Domestic, b. Angmering
Maria, wife, 31, b. Storrington
Albert, son, 13, scholar, b. Patching
John, son, 11, scholar, b. do.
Nelly Harriet, dau, 3, b. do.
James Mills, nephew, 11, scholar, b. Sompting

1901
RG13/956 55 17
Findon, Sussex
2 West View Terrace

John Green, head, 50, Coachman Domestic, b. Sussex Angmering
Maria, wife, 42, b. Storrington
Nelly H, dau, 13, b. Patching
Henry G, son, 9, b. do.
Caroline Cooper, mother in law, wid, 78, b. Storrington

John is boarding at Folkestone in 1901.
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Re: JOHN GREEN
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 24 April 08 06:39 BST (UK) »

*Possible* marriage for Nelly:

Nelly H Green - John R Staff
Jun 1913 Thakeham 2b  643

Possible children for this couple (all mother's maiden name Green):
Reginald J Staff - Jun 1914 Cuckfield 2b 259
Nellie R Staff - Dec 1915 Cuckfield 2b 227
Susannah Staff - Sep 1920 Thakeham 2b 641
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Re:GREEN & STAFF
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 24 April 08 10:40 BST (UK) »

Many thanks TATI for all the info. 1891&1901 info ties in with mine.
The Staff connection is confusing.
I have a Reginald Staff marrying Nellie/Nelly  Harriet Green b1888,marriage as you say 1913 but you show his name as John R.Staff ( I know he was known as Reg, (maybe he did not like being called John)
Am pretty certain they had 2 daughters who we knew as Eleanor ( although think may have referred to her as Nellie, & Elizabeth,years of birth unknown, but 1914/5 sounds about right.
I know the parents lived in Worthing Sussex area in the 1950,s.
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Re:GREEN & STAFF
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 24 April 08 19:08 BST (UK) »

I have a Reginald Staff marrying Nellie/Nelly  Harriet Green b1888,marriage as you say 1913 but you show his name as John R.Staff ( I know he was known as Reg, (maybe he did not like being called John)
It's John R on FreeBMD: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

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Re: JOHN GREEN/STAFF
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 07 May 08 09:45 BST (UK) »

Hi Tati, just catching up with Fam Tree cannot seem to find the link/listing you very kindly gave me for
John Reginald Staff. Could you let me know again please.
The John Staff I am searching for was possibly born around 1888 & his wife was Nellie/Nelly Harriet Green she was born 1888.
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Re: JOHN GREEN
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 07 May 08 09:54 BST (UK) »

Well, I don't know what I can give you beside the link and the reference  Undecided
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Re: JOHN GREEN
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 07 May 08 20:17 BST (UK) »

Baptisms at Storrington:

4 July 1858  Maria, daughter of Emery & Caroline Cooper, labourer

+ several others to Emery & Caroline, the earliest in 1849.

28 December 1823  Emery, son of John & Charlotte Cooper, labourer


Marriage at Storrington:

3 March 1849  Emery Cooper, bachelor, labourer & Caroline Quait, spinster
Fathers: Emery Cooper, labourer & Edmund Quait, miller
Witnesses: William Quait, Richard Pottinger


All this from the PRTS transcription.  Might be worth checking the actual marriage register to see if the groom's father isn't actually called John.

HTH,
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Re: JOHN GREEN
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 08 May 08 10:40 BST (UK) »

BRILLIANT THANK YOU STOVEPIPE.
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