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Topic: 1861/1871 census lookup for the Smallman family, Upton Bishop, Herefordshire (Read 248 times)
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Eel1909
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In 1881 at Old Vicarage, Kempley, Glos the Smallman family consisted of:
James Smallman age 45 b Upton Bishop, Herefordshire, so b c1836
Ann wife age 44 b Whitminster, Glos, so b c1837
John.G.Drinkwater grandson age 8 b Kempley, Glos
Elizabeth Smallman age 70 Mum b Upton Bishop.
I think James MAY have been married to an Ellen at some stage althogh not 100% certain.
I DO know he had a son, George Smallman b c1857 Upton bishop, Herefordshire. I have details on who he married and his children etc.
What I'd like is to find out who was the mum of John.G.Drinkwater....if he was James Smallman's grandson then James must have had a daughter who married a Mr Drinkwater.
Can anyone find James and family in the 1861/1871 census to see if he had any more children other than George.
It would be great to be able to solve this one!
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Hi Beverley
1861 RG9/1761 Folio 63 Page 10
Old Saysells, Kempley, Gloucestershire
James SMALLMAN head m 25 Ag. Lab Herefordshire Upton Bishop
Ann " wife m 26 " wife Gloucestershire Whitminster
Eliza DRINKWATER wifes dau 6 " dau " Stoke Oreham
Elizabeth SMALLMAN mother wid 50 " mother Herefordshire Upton Bishop
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For some reason it looks like james is Samuel in 1871???
and Eliza is using "Smallan name
1871
Kempley Glos
Samuel Smallman Head M 35 farm lab Upton Bishop Hereford
Ann wife Glos Farm Servant Witminster Glos
Eliza daughter 17 Farm Servant Stoke orchard Glos
Elizabeth mother W 61 Upton Bridge Hereford
Richard Innes Boarder U 19 Hilcote Newent Glos
RG10 2609 24 3
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No Samuel in 1841.....
HO107/42/21 Folio 24 Page 4
Crow Hill, Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
John Smallman 30 Shoe M.
Elizabeth " 25
James " 9
Mary " 7
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If you are sure James had a son George, then you may not have the right family in 1881, as James doesn't seem to have other children.
Could this be your George in 1881?
RG11/2584 Folio 67 Page 24
Crowhill, Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
SMALLMAN
John Head Mar 71 Shoemaker Master Upton Bishop
Ann Wife Mar 61 " Wife Little Marcle Dewchurch
George Grand Son S 24 Solicitors Manageing Clerk Upton Bishop
1881, parents James and Ellen: at RG11/2602 Folio 104 Page 9
and 1871
RG10/2722 fol. p.20
Broxwood Green, Pembridge, Herefordshire
SMALLMAN
James head m 38 Shoemaker Ross
Ellen wife m 40 Shoemakers wife St. Margaret
George son 14 Scholar Crowhill
Arthur " 12 " "
Henry " 10 " Yatton
Mary Ann dau 8 " Crowhill
William son 6 " Sarnsefield
Charles " 5 " "
Thomas " 3 " "
Christopher " 1 " Pembridge
Do you have George's birth cert from 1857 to be sure of his parents' names?
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1861 RG9/1812 Folio 76 Page 18
Colborough Park Lodge, Upton Bishop
SMALLMAN
James head m 30 Gamekeeper Ross
Ellen wife m 28 " wife St. Margaret
Arthur son (edited) 2 Upton Bishop
Henry " 9mo " "
1861 RG9/1812 fol.78 p.22
Crow Hill, Upton Bishop
SMALLMAN
John head m 52 Boot & Shoe Maker Upton Bishop
Elizabeth wife m 49 Dressmaker Ross
George son 4 Upton Bishop
(possibly grandson?)
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Barbara, In 1861 -isn't son Arthur 2 not 12 -there is a mark on image before the 2 , but I don't think it relates to age? ?
What do you think???
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Hi Barbara - I think you have found the most likely family
Think you are correct about George (although listed as son) being grandson in 1861
1851 shows
Crowhill Village
Upton Bishop
John Smallman head M 41 Shoemaker Upton Bishop
Elizabeth wife 39 Dressmaker Ross
JAMES son U 19 Shoemaker Ross
next door but one (may be James' grandparents??)
John Smallman Head M 83 Shoemaker
Mary wife 77
HO107 1976 83 9
and 1841
Crowhill
John Smallman 30 shoemaker
Elizabeth 25
JAMES 9
mary 7
William Davies 35 ag lab
all b in county
HO107 421 24 4
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1851 HO107/1976 Folio 82 Page 9
Crowhill Village, Upton Bishop
SMALLMAN
John head m 41 Shoemaker Upton Bishop
Elizabeth wife m 39 Dressmaker Ross
James son s 19 Shoemaker "
same page: possible relatives:
SMALLMAN
John head m 83 Shoemaker Kempley
Mary wife m 77 Coxenhall?
William TYLER lodger w 79 Farm Lab Pencoyed
sorry for dup, but glad we agree, now wonder what Beverley thinks !
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Well she did think James was possibly married to an Ellen -and this one was
Guess well have to wait until she comes on line again for the "verdict"
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You've done really well with this one, Barbara,
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