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Re: Anyone have X Ray vision to read this? :)
« Reply #15 on: Friday 25 April 08 09:24 BST (UK) »

I think it looks as though Dock Labourer is attached to the entry below and has nothing to do with our entry. I did wonder about it at first, but discounted it.
I think the line through the middle that looks like a small g is in fact a strike like the one between the s and m of Blacksmith above, so I wouldn't count on there being a g in the middle.
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Re: Anyone have X Ray vision to read this? :)
« Reply #16 on: Friday 25 April 08 09:40 BST (UK) »

Indeed!  The 'Dock L' is, in any case, written by a checker and not the enumerator - this checker seemed to have been very keen on adding categories etc.

There seem to have been 3 different people involved - the enumerator; then a checker writing in a different hand and with a different pen/pencil; and then yet another person using a big thick pen/pencil and adding all those X's and, apparently, scoring through Emily's occupation.

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Re: Anyone have X Ray vision to read this? :)
« Reply #17 on: Friday 25 April 08 09:45 BST (UK) »

okay two things

if that is the enumarator check as pointed out by GeoffE than the second word looks like woman however if not than the second workd looks like it does beign with G and end in er like grocer , but i am inclined to agree with GeoffE on this one


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Re: Anyone have X Ray vision to read this? :)
« Reply #18 on: Friday 25 April 08 10:06 BST (UK) »

Can you guys really see the word ending in 'an' instead of 'er'?  Huh 
I thought 'er' was the only definite bit!! Tongue

Mind you - sorry to say, Debbie! - I don't think we'll ever find out unless someone sees the original and the writings turn out to be in different colours!   
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Re: Anyone have X Ray vision to read this? :)
« Reply #19 on: Friday 25 April 08 10:13 BST (UK) »

PaulaToo's image makes the first word a bit clearer - it looks to me like 'General'.

For a woman, 'General' is usually followed by 'servant', but I don't think this is the case here - the ending of the second word looks like '..er' (Compare with the ending of 'Labourer' on the line below).

A possibility is that the enumerator has entered John's occupation on the wrong line, and it reads 'General Labourer'.  What was he doing in previous census years?
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Re: Anyone have X Ray vision to read this? :)
« Reply #20 on: Friday 25 April 08 10:16 BST (UK) »

I've looked and looked at this - and played with all sorts of levels, negatived it, etc. and i can only come up with the same as Tati and a few others - Green grocer - I'm more sure of the Green than the grocer but what else goes with green  Undecided

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Re: Anyone have X Ray vision to read this? :)
« Reply #21 on: Friday 25 April 08 10:18 BST (UK) »

Had another fiddle with it, but won't be able to get it any clearer...
Giving up on this one...and saying that hurts the precious pride...
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Re: Anyone have X Ray vision to read this? :)
« Reply #22 on: Friday 25 April 08 10:36 BST (UK) »

In my opinion Dock L refers to the line below - part of the job classification system for Waterside Labourer
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Re: Anyone have X Ray vision to read this? :)
« Reply #23 on: Friday 25 April 08 10:47 BST (UK) »

Something which keeps puzzling me is WHY the entry was scored through.

And the only reason I can think of is that whatever was written there was not a recognized occupation.

But then why not also score through the stamped 'worker'?

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Re: Anyone have X Ray vision to read this? :)
« Reply #24 on: Friday 25 April 08 11:24 BST (UK) »

Debbie,

Do you have the census references for 1891, 1881 and 1861?

What was John's occupation in them?  Were they married by 1861 - and if not what was Emily's ms and occupation?

Was there an occupation for Emily on their marriage certificate?

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Re: Anyone have X Ray vision to read this? :)
« Reply #25 on: Friday 25 April 08 11:29 BST (UK) »

Fresh from my tide waiter  Roll Eyes  Is it Garment sewer ?


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Re: Anyone have X Ray vision to read this? :)
« Reply #26 on: Friday 25 April 08 11:50 BST (UK) »

Hi again,

I make mistakes when I am writing [dont we all] cross it out, and put something beside, above, or below it, where it can be put in.  The entry was wrong!  hence the crossing out.

I still say that the other word applies to that entry, albeit in a different had, the others are so very clearly marked!

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Re: Anyone have X Ray vision to read this? :)
« Reply #27 on: Friday 25 April 08 11:54 BST (UK) »

I was going to add a comment to this earlier but decided against it ....

But ... surely if the occupation was crossed thorugh, it was incorrect, therefore it is not your Emily's occupation, and irrelevant to your research ....  ?

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Re: Anyone have X Ray vision to read this? :)
« Reply #28 on: Friday 25 April 08 12:13 BST (UK) »

Hi Everyone,

WOW!!  you've all been busy, thank you!

I've just popped online while at work, so only have a moment or 2, but John was a labourer in a biscuit factory on 1891.

I'll have to check the marriage cert & 1881 tonight.

Thank you all for taking so much time to look.

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BOXALL    Portchester & Southampton
CLASBY    Southampton
HELLYER   Hound, Netley & Southampton
MIDLANE   Isle Of Wight
PHILLIPS   Botley & Southampton
PRICE       Isle Of Wight
VERONELLI/VEARONELLY/VERONELLY & variants ANY
WAREN     London
WINTER    S.E. London
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Re: Anyone have X Ray vision to read this? :)
« Reply #29 on: Friday 25 April 08 17:04 BST (UK) »

Hi All,

Ok, on the 1881, if I have the correct John Taylor, he was a general labourer.

In 1887 he married Emily (no occ) & he was a BISCUIT MAKER

Emily in 1881, is possibly listed as Emily VERNELL, a housemaid (domestic)  Emily's correct maiden name was VERONELLI, but this was greatly mispelt over the years & her father changed their branch to TAYLOR.  So on the marriage she's Emily Taylor, marrying another Taylor.

So, does anyone else agree with my train of thought that is was actually John's occ, not Emily's, & that it MAY have read biscuit maker?

Many thanks for all your suggestions, I just couldn't read anything at all.

Why didn't I have more simple names in my family tree?   Undecided  Guess it wouldn't have been so much fun though Wink
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CLASBY    Southampton
HELLYER   Hound, Netley & Southampton
MIDLANE   Isle Of Wight
PHILLIPS   Botley & Southampton
PRICE       Isle Of Wight
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WAREN     London
WINTER    S.E. London
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