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fisher56
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Had a thought , on the marriage certificate there is an Ellen Whitehead listed as a witness...............would this be a sister or a mother?
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Whitehead, Coles, Bashford, Nicholls, Gloak,Lovelock,Goldfinch,Botting
in Kent, Croydon,Lambeth
Fisher, Rousseau,Davis,Coles,Coates,Ament,Grass,Hart,Arnew,Game
in Ontario, Canada
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casalguidi
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Yes, I was thinking that she could be a sister, sister in law, mother or even cousin or aunt 
The only definite Ellen that I could find connected to that family (via the census) so far would be Ellen daughter of John Wood WHITEHEAD thus a probable cousin.
Try contacting Croydon Local Studies to see if you can get the names of the householders in those years that I mentioned above.
Casalguidi 
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fisher56
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Have received information from a contact about George Joseph Whitehead as follows:
Valentine Whitehead m Mary Wood 28 January 1796 Tenterden
their child was Josiah Valentine Whitehead b 10 April 1811 Tenterden d Jan 1854 Newington Surrey
Josiah married Martha Harden 22 Oct 1832 Rolvenden she was born 1810 Rolvenden daughter of John Harden and Charlotte Windsor christened 31 Mar 1810
their children
* unknown
Eliza b 1829
John b 1832
Elizabeth b 1853
Joseph b 1839
Sarah b 1841
James b 1842
Mary b 1845
George b 1850
* unknown married an unknown and they had George Joseph b July 1866 Thanet
where George Joseph and Jane Matilda were living at time of marriage the person who was listed as head of household at that address was George Coles who would have been Janes brother.
I am now totally confused. Does this mean that * unknown was illigitimate? How would I find a record?
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Whitehead, Coles, Bashford, Nicholls, Gloak,Lovelock,Goldfinch,Botting
in Kent, Croydon,Lambeth
Fisher, Rousseau,Davis,Coles,Coates,Ament,Grass,Hart,Arnew,Game
in Ontario, Canada
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wdurham
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Casalguidi has found and posted a pretty thorough trace on the family through the censuses.
The 1871 is where we have the clue - George, the 6 year old grandson b Newington. He was clearly the son of ONE of Martha's children - but which one? Was he the illegitimate son of one of the two girls, Sarah or Mary? In which case he would have been registered as Whitehead, yet apparently he was not. Or was he the product of George's time away from home for at least part of the time between 1861 and 1871? In which case he would have been registered with his mother's name, which accounts for the lack of a suitable birth registration for him as George Whitehead.
The Thanet birth in 1867 seems so far out of the place-frame to me that it is highly unlikely even without the death in the same period that Casalguidi has pointed out.
In 1881 there is a George Whitehead aged 18, b Newington, who is a porter at the Deptford Small Pox Hospital. A bit too old, but just about the only possible match.
In 1881, George Snr has a nephew with him named Charles, aged 4 and b Camberwell. the 1891 suggests that this child is an illegitimate son of his sister Sarah.
1891
28 Bellsgarden Road, Camberwell
Sarah WHITEHEAD head wid 46 laundress b.Balls Pond Road London
Mary sister unm 42 laundress b.Old Kent Road London
Charles son 14 printer's boy b.Old Kent Road
RG12/480 folio 5 page 4
There is a possible registration for him in Mar 1877:
Whitehead Charles Bertie St Saviour Southwark 1d 133
This would fit with a birth in Newington, which at the time registered in St Saviour.
By 1901, Charles has married Florence, and is living in Camberwell st Giles with his mother Sarah aged 46 in residence with them. His birthplace has been transcribed as Minnington, but the image says Newington.
So it looks possible that George b 1866 could well have been illegitimate - I just can't believe that Thanet birth! - either by one of the girls (Sarah, clearly, was not averse to hanky-panky outside marriage!) or by George Snr in his salad days whilst he was "hawking".
When marrying, it is a requirement to enter a father's name, though many choose not to, for one reason or another. So George Jnr either told the truth because he WAS the illegit. son of George the sawyer, or he named his closest male relative, who was still at home when George Jnr was a boy so he would have known him reasonably well.
If George Jnr was a grandson of Martha (as the census says he was), then the Ellen Whitehead who witnessed his wedding was his cousin, daughter of John.
I don't care for the information from fisher56's contact that George Joseph was the son of an unknown son of Josiah and Martha, who married an unknown person. Josiah and Martha are trackable from 1841 onwards, with their children. It's possible for them to have had a child and lost it between one census and the next, so that child would never appear, but an "unknown" can't possibly remain unknown throughout the census periods from 1841 onwards, grow to adulthood, marry, and produce a son without showing up. Looks like inventing a scenario to fit the facts, to me....
Wendy
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fisher56
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Have just received a birth certificate for George Joseph as follows:
Born: 19 June 1866 St. James Square
Name: George Joseph
Sex: Boy
Name of Father: George Joseph WHITEHEAD
Name of Mother: Mary Ann WHITEHEAD formerly JOHNSON
Occupation of Father: Lace Maker
Residence of Father: St James Square Nottingham
When Registered 17 July 1866
could this be him???
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Whitehead, Coles, Bashford, Nicholls, Gloak,Lovelock,Goldfinch,Botting
in Kent, Croydon,Lambeth
Fisher, Rousseau,Davis,Coles,Coates,Ament,Grass,Hart,Arnew,Game
in Ontario, Canada
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fisher56
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Have sent off for 2 others this morning 1 in Thanet and 1 in Greenwich. GRO is really slow in sending them out. Will let you know the findings when they arrive.
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Whitehead, Coles, Bashford, Nicholls, Gloak,Lovelock,Goldfinch,Botting
in Kent, Croydon,Lambeth
Fisher, Rousseau,Davis,Coles,Coates,Ament,Grass,Hart,Arnew,Game
in Ontario, Canada
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