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Maxie
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I've just discovered a link with Elgin in Morayshire. I hope!
I've been trying to find out about Alexander Mckay (born in 1832) for a long time and now I think I may have found him. He was a coach smith and born in Scotland, according to the 1871 England census, and living in St. Pancras. Using his occupation as a marker I searched the 1861 Scotland census. Scrolling through many Mckays I found only one that fitted birth date, occupation and name. So I'm assuming that's him! Maybe too big an assumption?
I'd welcome any thoughts on that! Also any information on the area.
Ever hopeful!
Maxie 
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Norfolk Suffolk Yorkshire Pembrokeshire Scotland Leicester Middlesex Hampshire Devon Mckay, Bath, Masson, Knights, Hogg, Jinkerson, Gillings, Blockwell, Barker, Nichols. Eves, Douglas, Stead, Wilkinson. Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.UK |
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Hello Maxie - the definitive website for Moray family History - with a lot of free BMD info is 'Libindx' at
http://www.moray.gov.uk/LocalHeritage/Assets/html_pages/morayheritage.html
The one for Scotland in general is a pay per view site - free to register and do some basic searching
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
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The IGI, has 44 entries for Alexander McKay/Mackays born in Scotland in 1832. The one you have chosen would appear to be the one b. 12 Feb 1832 and ch 11 mar 1832 - son of Alexander Mckay and Elspet Masson.
The 1841 census - free at www.freecen.org .uk
Has the family at Milnes' Building, Elgin, Morayshire - all born Morayshire including one person with different surname
Alexander Mckay M 40 labourer
Elspet McKay F 40
Alexander Mckay M 8
Jessy Mckay F 5
John Mortimer M 25 Carter
Did your Alexander marry? Do any of the names pass on to children - especially Masson?
I have not searched for any other children to the couple.
Regards, Steve :O)
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Roxburgh: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson
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Maxie
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Thanks Steve,
I'd found the 1851 census but not the 1841 for some reason.
Do you know if coach building was a usual 'profession' in that area? I know very little about Scotalnd.
I don't really know if Alexander (1832) married. He was named as the father of Frederick John Mckay in St. Pancras London. The mother was Emma Bath. The problem is that I'm not 100% sure I have the correct link. It's only the coach building which has led me to Elgin.
Maxie
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Norfolk Suffolk Yorkshire Pembrokeshire Scotland Leicester Middlesex Hampshire Devon Mckay, Bath, Masson, Knights, Hogg, Jinkerson, Gillings, Blockwell, Barker, Nichols. Eves, Douglas, Stead, Wilkinson. Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.UK |
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Maxie
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Hi Steve,
As you say it's going to be a bit difficult to be certain.
But you've already been a great help in sending me to freecen.org. I'd looked for Alexander in 1841, using Ancestry.com but had failed because they'd named him" Makey". Even though I hadn't used the "exact" option I didn't find him.
Using the 'coachmaker' key word was a bit of a long shot but he was the only Alexander Mckay I found using that. In the 1841 census his neighbour was James Mckay and his wife was Margaret. That could have been his father I suppose, another long shot!
Anyway I've got lots to keep me occupied. Thanks again for you help
Maxie
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Maxie
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Hi Steve,
Yes, I saw that and am working on that one. It's a pity that so many Scots were called Alexander, Elspet and Jess though. I found the exact same names, as a family in 2 places in 1851 in Morayshire.
Still digging though!
Thanks again
Maxie
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Maxie and Steve
I'm just trying to identify the Alexander McKay in 1871 St Pancras that you referred to. Is this the one showing as smith and living at the St Pancras Workshouse? Have you managed to find anything more on Alexander on the later English censuses. In 1881 for example, there is an Alexander McKay, born Inverness, Scotland in 1832 also at the St Pancras Workshouse showing as unmarried, (retired) labourer.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
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Maxie
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Hi Monica,
Yes, the Alexander Mckay in 1871 is the one in the workhouse showing as a smith. I thought this might be coach smith. He was identified as being married which fitted, or so I thought!
I also found Emma McNay, wife, dressmaker at 98 Whitfield Street Tottenham. I assumed this was Emma Mckay, mother of Frederick John Mckay and 'wife' of Alexander. Emma was listed as being born in Vernham Dean Hampshire and this was fairly easy to follow.
Having written all this down again it seems a bit of a stretch! The only solid fact I have, the one I started with is the birth certificate of Frederick John Mckay with Alexander Mckay given as the father (coachsmith) and Emma Mckay (formerly Bath) as mother. This suggests they were married but I've never found any evidence.
Any ideas gratefully considered!
Maxie 
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MonicaLesl
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Maxie
When was Frederick John McKay son born?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
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Maxie
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Hi again,
Frederick John was born 5 April 1867 in St. Pancras. Mother was living at 3 Princes street.
Maxie
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Norfolk Suffolk Yorkshire Pembrokeshire Scotland Leicester Middlesex Hampshire Devon Mckay, Bath, Masson, Knights, Hogg, Jinkerson, Gillings, Blockwell, Barker, Nichols. Eves, Douglas, Stead, Wilkinson. Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.UK |
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MonicaLesl
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Is this them in 1881 with mother showing as Jane E. McKay?:
Jane E McKay, mantlemaker, widow, b. Southampton
Fred J. Mckay, 14, errand boy, b. St Pancras
Address 8 Brett Road, London
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
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Maxie
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yes, that's them.
In 1891 she appears at 6 Alpha Road as a servant. (RG12; Piece: 100; Folio 134; Page 1)
And in 1901 at 26 Westbourne Park Road, still as a servant. (RG 13 11 folio 84)
I think she died in 1912 but not really sure
Maxie
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MonicaLesl
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Maxie
I don't have to tell you how hard it is to make the links back to Alexander's family with the lack of info we have on him. The thing that concerns me about the Alexander McKay with the Elgin Moray connections from 1861 is the fact that he shows as a coach painter. I would have thought your Alexander would have been a trained carpenter (wright/joiner etc.).
I'm not seeing anything as yet in 1861 in both England or Scotland that could connect. Also age could be out by a few years as is the way with these things.........I'll keep looking
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
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Maxie
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Monica
I can see that there are anomalies in my argument. I think I may have to go back to basics and start again with this link.
My problem starts with not being able to find Frederick John Mckay after he married in 1890.
I have the birth certificate of his son Frederick Daniel Mckay born in Great Yarmouth. Frederick John was a fisherman. I also have the marriage certificate of Frederick John (23 years old), in Gorleston where his father was given as Alexander Mckay, Coachsmith.
So assuming Frederick John was born in 1867 I searched for a record of his birth and found what I thought was him. I realise that this might have been a mistake. I expected Alexander to be a fisherman for a start. But since the Scottish name link fitted I went with that.
As I've said I've never been able to find Frederick John Mckay after the birth of his son in 1890.
Frederick John's wife, Sarah Knights, is found in Hakin Pembrokeshire in the 1901 census living with John Goffin. She has several children, some of whom have birth certificates bearing Frederick John's name as the father. But the chances are that John Goffin is he bioligical father.
Not strange to find her in the Milford Haven (Pembrokeshire ) area in 1901. A whole community moved down there for the fishing.
But Frederick John seems to have disappeared from view.
So I decided to look for Alexander using the coach smith link. I didn't consider the difference between painter and smith, assuming that in those days they may have turned their hand to anything.
Sorry this is so long but as you seemed to be digging so deep for me, I thought it might help.
Thank you again for your efforts.
Maxie
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