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laura24
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McBride
« on: Thursday 24 April 08 23:48 BST (UK) » |
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Hello,
I'm looking for some help, i'm struggling to find information to help me put together my family tree.
My nanna was called Angela Mcbride and she was born i think in 1932 in or around the clydebank area which is also the area she lived, she married my grandad in february 1950. i believe her mother was called Sally Mcbride, who also had a sister called Elizabeth. Its thought that my nanna had 2 sisters and 2 brothers but they did not all have the same surname and i believe sally was never married.
I am also told that Sally's dad was called George Spears Mcbride.
Despite all this information i'm not sure where i need to go next, and my nanna passed away recently and i'm desperate to find out about my family history.
If anyone has any information that can help me i would really appreciate it.
Laura
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Re: McBride
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 April 08 10:37 BST (UK) » |
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Might be worth looking for the surname "McBryde"
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Re: McBride
« Reply #2 on: Friday 25 April 08 11:20 BST (UK) » |
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Hello Laura
Welcome to Rootschat,
What you need to do is sit down with as many copies or originals of birth, marriage, or death certs as you can get and arrange them logically.
The website to use in Scotland is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (referred to as SP)- unfortunately a pay per view site. Free to register and do basic searching. Minimum spend is £6
Just been on, and for 20p can only find one Angela McBride born in all of Scotland between 1928 and 1935
1931 Angela MCBRIDE F Kelvin Glasgow
If you don't have a copy of her cert - which will give her parents names and mothers maiden name you would need to get a copy to confirm the other info you have. (If she'd been born before 1908 - you'd have been able to download an 'extract' which gives the same info for £1.20 total).
To order a cert will cost I think £10 - but there is another option if you live in Scotland
I'll post my usual message
b A second option. A great money saver - Aberdeen Registrars Office (as do many others in Scotland), - has Scottish Birth Marriage and Death (BMD) records online going back to 1855 and up to the present day (for Scotland). Also have Old parish Records (OPRs). Charge £15 per hour. An hour should be more than enough to get a good core of info. They can be contacted on 01224 522033 or e-mail: Searchroom@aberdeencity.gov.uk They're really friendly approachable and professional. Will save you days and pounds ++ on Scotlands People.
The link below indicates their services:
http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/acci/web/files/rm_registrars/rm_registrars_family_history_leaflet.pdf
b. www.familysearch.org - The Mormons website. Also known as IGI. Worth a try and has free family history software. IGI, in its various forms, fiche (they still have a use!), CDs (at LDS Family History Centres) has the advantage for Scotland that it overlaps with the Scottish civil registration records. These started in 1855, but IGI also includes indexes of births and marriages from 1855 to 1875 plus the two census years of 1881 and 1891. The IGI index for these years is superior to the on-line index at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk in that FamilySearch shows the names of the parents and the date of birth.
Good luck - keep asking :O
Steve ....
Also have a look in the 'Beginners' section of this site.......
A few seconds on Google brings up the following info for North Lanarkshire searching:
http://www.northlan.gov.uk/living+here/births+marriages+and+deaths/area+registration+offices/ars+customer+update+edition+3+-+2007.08+-+genealogy.html
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Roxburgh: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson
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MonicaLesl
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Re: McBride
« Reply #3 on: Friday 25 April 08 11:50 BST (UK) » |
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Hi Laura
There is only one George McBride showing on the 1901 census, so happens in Lanarkshire. No idea if he is the right one but I will post the details for you in case it turns out to be the right one. All the children showing as born in Glasgow:
George McBride 36, Gaswork Labourer, b. Ireland
Ellen McBride 34, b. Ireland
William McBride 15
James McBride 13
George McBride 6
David McBride 1
Address: 39 Gairbraid Ave, Maryhill, Lanarkshire
There is no birth of a Sally M*cBr*de (using wildcards for spelling variations) in Scotland for any relevant period but bear in mind that Sally is a variant of Sarah so her birth may have been registered that way.
There is a birth for example of a Sarah:
1910 Sarah MCBRIDE (KIRK) F Maryhill, Glasgow
No idea if she connects to the 1901 family but again I have included it in case it does.
There is only one death of a Sally McBride showing in Scotland, with a birth year c. 1946:
2005 Sally Teresa MCBRIDE (MCGINLEY) F 59 Glasgow City
As Steve suggests, given the period you are initially looking at, where certificates would have to be ordered as they are not available to view on line (due to privacy rules), it would make economic sense to use one of the Registry Office services to do the basic searches for you and transcribe the relevant info. You can then order the correct certificates with full confidence if you require.
Good luck with everything!
Monica
PS. Welcome to RootsChat 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Re: McBride
« Reply #4 on: Friday 25 April 08 12:32 BST (UK) » |
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Hello Laura - just trying to clarify the trail
You're saying that your nanna
Angela McBride - born 1831 (with 2 sisters and 2 brothers born  also different surnames)
Parents, Father McBride
Mother Sally McBride (is this also her maiden name? - or did 2 McBrides marry each other) - also had a sister Elizabeth.
If Sally had a different maiden name, her father cannot be a George Spears McBride.
A slightly confused Steve :O) Either way the previous advice still applies. Have also sent a pm on SP research. Keep us posted.
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Roxburgh: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson
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laura24
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Re: McBride
« Reply #5 on: Friday 25 April 08 23:16 BST (UK) » |
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Thank you both very much for the info to get me started i shall have a look into whether we have copies of birth certificates etc at my mums,
Steve, just to clarify to help with the confusion:
My great great grandad was George Spears McBride
My Great Granma was Sally Mcbride, but she never married.
However, i have found out tonight that my nanna's name on her birth certificate was Angela McBride Fury ( although i'm not sure of the correct spelling for it) and because Sally never married i'm at a loss as to how that came about!!
Also just to pick your brains, if thats ok, one of my nanna Angela's brothers was a ship builder and died building the queen mary ship at john brown docks i think, is there somewhere where i can access that info?
Thank you again its much appreciated
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Re: McBride
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 26 April 08 10:19 BST (UK) » |
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Hi Laura
Is this the entry that you have a birth cert. for:
1931 Angela FUREY F Kelvin, Glasgow
The other entry that Steve posted was:
1931 Angela MCBRIDE F Kelvin, Glasgow
Looking at the GROS ref. nos, they look to be for the same birth.
You may find that the name of the father is showing on the birth cert.
Monica
ADDED: Laura, if the name Fury appears on the cert. it means that although her birth was illegitimate, her father acknowledged he was the father and attended the Registrar with her mother to register her birth. Where the father did not attend the Registrar, the mother was unable to add the father's name to the birth registration of her child.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Re: McBride
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 26 April 08 18:42 BST (UK) » |
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Laura
Luck is on your side Sounds like you need a break on your Nana's side....and we may just have found the key to at least some of the history 
Sally (Sarah) McBride did marry, twice according to her death cert. She died young, Angela would have been nine in 1940:
1940 Sarah MCBRIDE (MCGHEE FUREY) F 35 Old or West Kilpatrick, Dunbarton
According to the certificate, her father was JOHN SPEIRS MCBRIDE, a plumber by trade and mother LOUISA MCPHERSON.
She shows at the time of her death (from cancer of the uterus) as married to John MCGHEE previously married to James FUREY.
There is marriage for Sarah to James Furey:
1921 James FUREY & Sarah MCBRIDE Old or West Kilpatrick, Dunbarton
Sarah was young when she married, 16, according to the cert. So born c. 1905 and as such won't show on the 1901 census. However, her parents married in 1899:
1899 John Spiers MCBRIDE & Louisa MCPHERSON Bridge of Weir, Renfrew
I can't see a marriage for her to John McGhee but likely this happened after the Scotlands People cut off of 1932. I also can't see an obvious death for James Furey up to 1921- 1940 that matches his age at the time of his marriage.
For any answers to that you will probably have to look at the birth entry for Angela where the names Furey/McBride show. If you are certain her birth was illegitimate, it may be that James Furey had left the home and Angela's father was someone else. Hopefully, the birth cert may provide some answers. Also, the marriage cert for Sarah to John McGhee which would have to be personally looked up or ordered may also give some relevant info.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 26 April 08 19:00 BST (UK) » |
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This looks to be John McBride and Louisa following their marriage on the 1901 census:
John McBride 32, plumber, b. Ayr, Ayrshire
Louisa McBride 34, b. India
James Conway 25, boarder, b. Bridge of Weir
Address: Robertsons Land, Bridge of Weir, Kilbarchan Renfrewshire
In the 1891 census, this looks to be Louisa with mother Sarah (BAXTER)
Sarah McPherson 52, b. Ireland
Louisa McPherson 25, Printfield Worker, b. India
James McPherson 20, Printfield Worker, b. India
Andrew Hayman 25, lodger, b. Ireland
Address: Renfrew's Land, Houston and Killellan, Renfrewshire
Can't easily see John as yet in 1891.
In 1881, can't easily Louisa in 1881, family may still not have arrived in Scotland?
John McBride is showing as illegitimate on his 1899 marriage cert, born to mother Hannah McBride. I wonder if this could be him:
John McBride 11, boarder b. Ayr
Allan Stuart 30, tailor b. Ayr
Annie Stuart 25 b. Ayr
Jane Stuart 2 b. Ayr
Address: No 96 Main Street, Ayr
This looks like John's birth entry
JOHN SPIERS MCBRIDE Birth: 02 MAR 1870 Ayr, Ayr, Scotland
Parents:Mother: HANNAH MCBRIDE
I've got to pop out now back later. Will have a look for John in 1871 if someone doesn't in the meantime.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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« Reply #9 on: Saturday 26 April 08 19:11 BST (UK) » |
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Great information there, Monica.
Just some more info for Laura; Louisa died 1950, aged 84. John died three years later in 1953, also aged 84. Both certificates are available to view on ScotlandsPeople.
There's an also a submitted birth on Familysearch (mentioned by Steve earlier) for Louisa; 6th December 1865 Mooltan, West Bengal, India. Parents match marriage certificate.
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Re: McBride
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 26 April 08 20:03 BST (UK) » |
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hi laura
like yourself i'm just starting out with family research.........i live in clydebank...give me a shout if you need area info etc
happy searching
lindy-lou 
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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 26 April 08 20:40 BST (UK) » |
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From the 1871 Census, this looks to be John McBride. The index has him transcribed as McClivie but SP shows MCBRIDE:
George Lindsay 31, carpet weaver, b. Ireland
Jane Lindsay 29, b. Ayr
Maggie C Lindsay4, b. Ayr
John McClivie 1, boarder, b. Ayr
Peter Wharry 12, boarder, b. Ayr
James Diamond 18, boarder, b. Ayr
Address: 38 Fullarton St, Ayr
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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 26 April 08 21:05 BST (UK) » |
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Well done Hume for finding the Indian IGI info (I always forget just how international IGI is).
These are the children showing to Alexander McPherson and Sarah Baxter on IGI:
1. Margaret Jane McPherson Christening: 11 DEC 1861 Julundur, , West Bengal, India
2. Louisa McPherson Birth: 06 DEC 1865 <Mooltan, , West Bengal, India>
3. ALEXANDER DAVID Mcpherson Birth: 28 DEC 1867 <Jullundur, , West Bengal, India>
Can't easily see a marriage for Alexander and Sarah but this looks to be her death entry
1912 Sarah MACPHERSON (BAXTER) F 71 Bridge of Weir, Renfrew
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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 26 April 08 21:12 BST (UK) » |
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Unusual that John isn't with his mother in 1871. I know there isn't any other name on the marriage certificate for her, besides McBride, but I wonder if this is her marriage?
Hannah McBride to Evan Dillon, mar. 4th April 1870 Ayr
Only a month after John's birth, however.
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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 26 April 08 21:17 BST (UK) » |
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Laura
It would seem from the submitted IGI entries, that someone has already been researching this McPherson (and/or the Baxter line). This looks like a submitted entry for Sarah Baxter's birth:
Sarah Baxter Christening: 22 NOV 1835 Ballyeaston Presbyterian Church, , Antrim, Ireland
Parents:Robert Baxter and Sarah Robinson
And siblings, also all submitted entries:
5. Robert Baxter Christening: 25 NOV 1827 Ballynure, Antrim, Ireland
1. James Baxter Birth: 18 JUL 1830 Of, Ballyeaston, Antrim, Ireland
2. Henderson Baxter Christening: 14 APR 1833 Ballyeaston Presbyterian Church, , Antrim, Ireland
4. Jane Baxter Christening: 10 APR 1838 Ballyeaston Presbyterian Church, , Antrim, Ireland
6. Thomas Baxter Christening: 06 JUL 1851 Carnmoney, Antrim, Ireland
I would imagine that your great grandmother Sarah McBride was called after Louisa's mother.
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