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Looking for some Pooles
« on: Friday 25 April 08 02:25 BST (UK) »

I have a Richard Ashton Poole, born c 1833 in Cheshire to Charles Poole (solicitor) and Sarah (nee Green).  There is a record of marriage for a Charles Poole & Sarah Green in 1829, Bowden, Cheshire - but of course that's no guarantee. Apart from that, I have no information. Have been unable to find them as a family on census records. I'm hoping someone out there can supply a few nibbles to get me back on track.
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Re: Looking for some Pooles
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 April 08 10:40 BST (UK) »

Hi Lochlass,

Could be the right marriage, as here's a Charles, attorney in Bowdon in 1841, I'm still looking for his wife and Richard though:

HO107/91/10 fol.13 p.20
Altrincham Township, Bowdon Parish, Cheshire
Charles POOLE 30 Attorney at Law 
Sarah Ann  "       6
Mary SHAW      20 Housekeeper
John    "           13  Clerk
all born Cheshire

maybe Sarah died, as Charles has a housekeeper

Barbara

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Re: Looking for some Pooles
« Reply #2 on: Friday 25 April 08 10:51 BST (UK) »

Here's 1851

HO107/2162  Folio  506  Page  18
Altrincham, Bowdon parish, Cheshire (edited)

Richard POOL head    m 72 Land Owner  Altrincham Chester
Martha     "        wife  m 73                     Ashton upon Mersey
Richard A  "  grandson u 18 Merchants Clerk Altrincham Chester
Sarah Ann        "   dau u 16 No Profession        "
Mary WATSON  servant u 22 Housemaid   Denbigh Wales
Mary GARNER       "       u 23  Cook           Timperley Chester

now to find Richard in 1841, perhaps with grandparents

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Re: Looking for some Pooles
« Reply #3 on: Friday 25 April 08 10:57 BST (UK) »

1841 HO107/91/7   Folio 11  Page 19
Birch House, Altrincham, Cheshire

Richd. POOLE  60  Ind. 
Martha   "       60
Ann        "       20
Richard   "        8
Mary ASHTON  65  Ind
Mary ROYLE    15   F. S.
Sabia Ann JONES 15  F.S.
James DAVENPORT 15  M.S.
all born Cheshire

freebmd has death reg:  Dec 1839  Poole    Sarah     Altrincham  19 5

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Re: Looking for some Pooles
« Reply #4 on: Friday 25 April 08 13:24 BST (UK) »

If you try the following link to the Cheshire Record Office Tithe Map Site and search for Richard Poole you should find a Richard Poole in Altrincham.
Further manipulation should enable you to find where he lived on a 'modern map'

http://maps.cheshire.gov.uk/tithemaps/

A minor point Smiley  Altrincham was never in Wilmslow.  It was a township in Bowdon parish.

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« Reply #5 on: Friday 25 April 08 13:39 BST (UK) »

A minor point Smiley  Altrincham was never in Wilmslow.  It was a township in Bowdon parish.

Which is what the census stated in 1841, however in 1851 I also put what it said, I think a****y must have indexed incorrectly, it says Altrincham township, Bowdon Parish, sub registration district Wilmslow!  Their mistake, and mine for copying it  Cheesy have edited it

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Re: Looking for some Pooles
« Reply #6 on: Friday 25 April 08 15:35 BST (UK) »

Hello Barbara
I see where the Wilmslow came from.  Apparently according to A******y there were three enumeration districts in Wilmslow and Wilmslow was within Bowdon parish.   That s very odd.   When one looks at the description of each district there is no mention of Wilmslow - either in the description or in the headings.  Also odd because I believed Wilmslow as a large entity did not exist in 1841.  It became a Parish in 1894 but before that was somewhere within a collection of 4 or 5 differently named townships.

I wonder where A*****y would have got Wilmslow from?

Maybe some one else knows and can add something.

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 25 April 08 16:27 BST (UK) »

Also odd because I believed Wilmslow as a large entity did not exist in 1841.
It was the 1851 census that stated Wilmslow on the page heading.  I don't know how they index things,  found a whole section once, a Yorkshire town indexed under a town with the same name in another county, and although I told them about it I don't think anything was done. 

In this case, if you search by the civil parish page for 1851, and click on Altrincham, there are 3 districts listed there, 6a, 6b & 6e.  Then if you click on Bowdon there are two sub districts, Lymm & Wilmslow, click on Wilmslow, and up come district 3 which is Bowdon, and district 6c and 6d which are both Altrincham, so why they're not together ...... Roll Eyes

At least we're agreed the family lived in Altrincham  Smiley

Kind regards,
Barbara
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Re: Looking for some Pooles
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 26 April 08 06:40 BST (UK) »

Many thanks, Barbara,
I had seen that census record but couldn't figure out why both mother & son weren't on it, therefore I dismissed it.Will just have to keep plugging away.
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« Reply #9 on: Saturday 26 April 08 09:07 BST (UK) »

I had seen that census record but couldn't figure out why both mother & son weren't on it, therefore I dismissed it. Will just have to keep plugging away.

Well the only one missing now is Sarah, so it might be worth getting the 1839 death certificate from the ref. I gave you, you can check with the register office first to make sure it's the right one
you can order it online at http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/

register office probably Trafford, details at http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/regoff.html#T

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Re: Looking for some Pooles
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 27 April 08 01:53 BST (UK) »

Interesting, thanks Barbara.
Only yesterday I looked at one of the 1841 census & came across a Richard Poole living in Altrincham with an older Richard Poole (aged 60 at the time) and wondered whether it was his grandfather.  Planned to check it out today.
I'm really appreciative of your detective work. Many thanks.
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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 27 April 08 02:01 BST (UK) »

Please look at my reply #3 - I gave you that 1841 census along with Sarah's death reference

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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 27 April 08 05:45 BST (UK) »

Sorry about that, I must have been having a 'senior moment'! Grin
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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 27 April 08 09:17 BST (UK) »

That's ok, I have plenty of those  Cheesy

If you do get Sarah's death cert, would you like to come back and tell us about it, to complete the story

Barbara  Smiley
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Re: Looking for some Pooles
« Reply #14 on: Monday 28 April 08 03:05 BST (UK) »

I have applied for Sarah's death cert. Did it through GRO rather than the Trafford office as it was cheaper. Will let you know what's on it.
I noticed that in the 1841 census, Charles still had a daughter Sarah Ann living with him. I thought it was sad that some of the children (at least the one we know about) got palmed off elsewhere. As a solicitor, I thought he'd have the means to provide for all of them.
You should hear from me in a couple of weeks re the death cert.
Regards, Ruth.
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