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Topic: NZ:1957 "pensioner".. what did this imply? (Read 463 times)
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charlotteCH
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Hi Charlotte
The records show that this man died Intestate - ie. no Will, so there will only be letters of Administration.
At worst, if the Public Trust were involved, you might get one piece of paper signed by someone who knew him to certify identity.
At the other end of the scale you might strike it lucky and get a full copy of the death cert, or the certificate of identity supplied by a child who gives their full name, address and occupation.
It really is a lottery....
Bren.
Bren, Thank you so much for that info. May I ask a further question about what you discovered please?
Does the CD you so kindly checked give his date of death?
The reason I ask is that once I get that I will get to the death/funeral notice that may be in the local newspaper. That is the easiest source for info about his possible family which one would assume would be mentioned by name in such a notice. Maybe though, that he died intestate, he was down on his uppers... or perhaps he died suddenly hence no will- bit silly to be 78 and have no will.
From what you say, you seem to suggest that maybe there would not be even a death cert.. Would there not have to have been one regardless of circs?
This is my first venture into NZ family history so am very much a learner.
Thanks again,
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1808
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charlotteCH
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Bren, Thank you very much for your explanation-.
Am I correct in thinking from what has been said that I can ask the Wellington Archives for a copy of whatever docs were filed under that archives probate number of AAOW W3846 8832/58 ?
If there are any children they may show up this way, and it would give me the date of death at least.
Thanks everyone,
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1808
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charlotteCH
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Hi again Bren, Thanks for that url- new to me.
Can't find Edward Blakey Hastings there but there is an Harold Edward Hastings 1947-1956 and the dept seems to be in the social security area- didn't note the exact name of dept so will have to go back to check. My man's date of death was 1956- maybe it's just a coincidencebut it fits with his personal circs- only contradiction to that is his MI which gives his name correctly.
That his heastone reads as below & makes me wonder if a Returned Servicemans League stepped in at that point.. any comments on that thought? And what is "lion Unicorn crest" about?
Headstone Inscription E B HASTINGS Imperial Forces. 1914/18 War. Died
30.7.1956 aged 65 yrs. Lion Unicorn crest. xxx
As ever, family history keeps the questions coming.
Thanks for your help,
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1808
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charlotteCH
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Terryjc,
Thanks for that info. Good on the Vets dept. for doing that.
I'll ask about the lion unicorn-- maybe on the WRY list as he may have enlisted in a local reg. or on AF list to see if anyone recognises the reg. that might be represented by this and what the the xxx that followed is about - certainly don't think they were kisses!
His Reg presumably wasn't known to Vets if they didn't add it to the MI if that was their custom.
Somewhere I have studio photo of him in his uniform- maybe that will help identify the reg- if I can find it in my photo muddle. Another thing to sort out before my next life.
Thanks again,
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1808
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AMBLY
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Hi Charlotte
Many Councils in NZ have online Cemtery Databases - I can't find one for Napier (except for the old cemetery) but you could contact them here: (bottom of page - genealogical queries)
http://www.napier.govt.nz/index.php?cid=facilities/cemeteries/cem_general
They may have a computerised database that is not online, but which they would be happy to look up for you (I've done the same with good results for other councils).
If they can and do look it up, also ask if there is reference to the Funeral director who handled the Service - this may be the key.
If you find a funeral Director, try ringing them. Most I find are still in business one way or the other and most are quite happy to go and look up their index cards on the funeral. You will offten find names of descendants, or at least indication that there were some. Many Directors also keep clippings of the Funeral notice in the papers (since often they actually placed the notice). Also look for Famiy death notices, as you said - but also look for thankyou notices from the family in the week or so after the funeral. I have had results doing this for Funerals which occurred well before the 1950's.
edit: I just read properley and realise you do have a headstone inscription - is there any indication on the stone re: the Funeral Director (sometimes it is chiselled in the stone at the bottom?) The Cemetery Sexton may also have the name of the Director in the big Cemetery Books - which may also have some surviving family names in it.
Cheers
AMBLY
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charlotteCH
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Thanks Ambly for your help and suggestions. Last week I emailed the Napier City Council and they were most helpful sending back what is below.
I guess I should now google to see if NICHOLSON Funeral Directors are still around. Maybe they are even the ones routinely used by RSA.
As you say, they may have family details which is really the thing I am after in this hunt. Hopefully there are some and the poor man was not just alone at this point in life.
Off to google now and check out the cem pages as you suggest,
Thanks again,
charlotte
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Please find below the records I found on the Napier City Council database.
Family name Hastings Age 68 years
Given names Edward Blakey Date deceased 30/07/1956
Address Rangitaeki Interment date 1/08/1956
Gender Male
Occupation Roadman Warrant No. 282
R.S.A
Cemetery Wharerangi Cemetery
Area Services
Section/Wall Sec 7 Plot/Niche No 33
Page No. 143 Interment No 1
Burial/Ashes Buried
Clergyman FAGG
Funeral Dir note NICHOLSON
Show Record on Website 11*1*11
MapServer ID Wharerangi * Services * Sect 7
Headstone Inscription E B HASTINGS Imperial Forces. 1914/18 War. Died
30.7.1956 aged 65 yrs. Lion Unicorn crest. xxx
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1808
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