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1871 Census - Willliam L Barnes (b 1858)
« on: Friday 25 April 08 11:35 BST (UK) »
Can someone please lookup a William L Barnes (born Hensingham - Whitehaven Mar Q 1858). Unfortuantely I haven't confirm,ed parents names and if he can't be found in this and also please 1861 then I will have to order birth cert. In 1881 he was 23 a boarder , a clerk in a carting business residng with Sarah Frazer at 93 Duke Street Whitehaven (RG11 5186/73 page 10)

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Re: 1871 Census - Willliam L Barnes (b 1858)
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 April 08 11:56 BST (UK) »
Boarding with the Philipsons in 1861

RG9/3948; Folio: 58; Page: 27; - Whitehaven / St Bees
Langier Street, 1, Banyeats Court

 
William Barnes 3  Boarder born Whitehaven

Elizabeth Philipson 51  Head Mariners Wife Whitehaven
Martha Philipson 16  dau Dressmaker do
Rachel Philipson 14  dau do
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: 1871 Census - Willliam L Barnes (b 1858)
« Reply #2 on: Friday 25 April 08 12:04 BST (UK) »
not obvious in 1871 ..... could be a situation where his mother has remarried and he is shown under stepfather's surname.


As we didnt get a hit from 1861, cant search for remarriages.
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: 1871 Census - Willliam L Barnes (b 1858)
« Reply #3 on: Friday 25 April 08 12:08 BST (UK) »
Hi

Thanks for your help again. I will perhaps investigate the family with him and perhaps obtain birth cert.


Many thanks


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Re: 1871 Census - Willliam L Barnes (b 1858)
« Reply #4 on: Friday 25 April 08 12:20 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage in Cockermouth with, on the same page:-

William Barnes and a Mary Ann Philipson

She could have been another of Elizabeth's daughters) so this looks very promsiing and I will investigate further for BM & Ds.


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Re: 1871 Census - Willliam L Barnes (b 1858)
« Reply #5 on: Friday 25 April 08 12:26 BST (UK) »
Is this the chap you were implicitly researching t'other day - daughter Miriam ?

If so, it seems there are 2 Williams born 1856 / 7 / 8 in the Whitehaven Dist.

The one you mention on this thread (in 1881), marries his landlady's daughter Elizabrth Frazer / Fraser and is some sort of Commision / Insurance Agent in 1891.


Miriams Dad is an Engineer in 1891 ....
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: 1871 Census - Willliam L Barnes (b 1858)
« Reply #6 on: Friday 25 April 08 13:03 BST (UK) »
Yes it was me following Miriam to Liverpool.

I thought her parents were as you say William Barnes (b 1858 St Bees) & Eliz Frazer (who married 1882).
I have trying to find William's father and hence this trail.

I am confused now (not difficult I know) because I thought this was the one and only William Barnes b around 1858 (the only other one being possibly his father also William born earlier who may have married Mary Ann Philipson in 1848 with William Jnr staying in 1861 with his grandmother Elizabeth Philipson - conjecture ). There are several deaths of William Barneses in Cumberland BUT I have also found the marriage of a Mary Ann Barnes (possibly William Snr's widow?) in Dec 1861 at Cockermouth to possibly either Jonathan Nutter or Thomas Wilson. Perhaps William jnr was with them in 1871?


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Re: 1871 Census - Willliam L Barnes (b 1858)
« Reply #7 on: Friday 25 April 08 13:16 BST (UK) »
I think Miriams parents were the 'other' William' and Elizabeth Dodgson nee Murray ..... hence the presence of Dodgson stepkids in 1891 - couldnt see a marriage for that couple tho   Huh


I've had a look at the surnames you suggest in 1871 ...  cant see him !
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: 1871 Census - Willliam L Barnes (b 1858)
« Reply #8 on: Friday 25 April 08 14:44 BST (UK) »
Sorry you're absolutely right -
Apologies - a wild goose chase after I have re-visited - The only marriage I had found of Frazer / Barnes isn't I agree  the right one.

Does the census of 1901 give William's age? or William and Elizabeth's birthplaces? Also is it Hodgson or Dodgson?


That may help us



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Re: 1871 Census - Willliam L Barnes (b 1858)
« Reply #9 on: Friday 25 April 08 15:25 BST (UK) »
sorry - Hodgson ...... must be confusing it with Alice  Tongue
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: 1871 Census - Willliam L Barnes (b 1858)
« Reply #10 on: Friday 25 April 08 15:30 BST (UK) »
1901 -  RG13; Piece: 4889; Folio: 50; Page: 23 - Harrington
9, Church Rd Ter
 
William Barnes 44  Head Mining Surveyor & Engineer Whitehaven
Elizabeth C Barnes 47 Wife do 

Miriam C Barnes 15  dau Whitehaven
Edith C Barnes 10 dau Harrington
Leslie G Barnes 6    son do
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: 1871 Census - Willliam L Barnes (b 1858)
« Reply #11 on: Friday 25 April 08 15:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much for this, I will set off again tring to track back on the right William Barnes


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Re: 1871 Census - Willliam L Barnes (b 1858)
« Reply #12 on: Friday 25 April 08 15:50 BST (UK) »
I've tried   Sad
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: 1871 Census - Willliam L Barnes (b 1858)
« Reply #13 on: Friday 25 April 08 15:58 BST (UK) »
oh wait - heres the Hensingham-born chap in 1871 ....

in Whitehaven Union Workhouse ....

RG10/5260; Folio: 96; Page: 9 - Preston Quarter, St Bees, Whitehaven

 
Wm Barns 14  Inmate born Hensingham
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: 1871 Census - Willliam L Barnes (b 1858)
« Reply #14 on: Friday 25 April 08 15:59 BST (UK) »
If yer maun was an educated Surveyor and Engineer by 1891, he may well be getting educated in 1871 .....
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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