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Topic: GERMANY: Help needed to identify a German town please (1) (Read 1017 times)
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JustinL
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I just received the typed transcript of a family journal started in the early 19th century.
It contains the following entries:
Ann Hofman, b. 9 Nov 1727 in Wantangchach near Tweth an Snyn
Catherine Hoffman, b. 6 Jun 1725 in Wathangelbach
Maria Agnes Hoffman, b. 9 Jan 1727 in Wathangelbach
Johann Frederick Hoffman, b. 18 Jan 1732 in Wathangelbach
Can anybody suggest the correct name of this town or village?
Three out of the four settled in East London, so they may well have come from somewhere in Hannover.
Thanks, Justin
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Berlin-Bob
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Hi Justin,
I've tried a german locations site, http://gov.genealogy.net/
but no luck their, even with variations.
Angelbach alone turns up two hits in South Germany.
We have a couple of RootsChatters who are also members of the german forum Ahnenforschung.Org.
If they don't pop in here and answer this, or if nobody else can help, how about putting a query on Ahnenforschung.Org direct
see Topic: A German RootsChat?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,250692.0.html
On fridays we have an english in the chat room evening there;
if you register today you could also join us there and pop the question 
regards,
Bob
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« Last Edit: Friday 25 April 08 12:57 UTC (UK) by Berlin-Bob »
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Lambendsor (aka IGS)
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Could your "Snyn" be a mis-reading of "Sayn"?
A river of that name flows into the Rhine just north of Koblenz.
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ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES: Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford
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Berlin-Bob
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Well spotted
http://gov.genealogy.net/ give us several possibilities for Sayn
Im Sayntal : Mayen-Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz,
Niedersayn : Wirges, Westerwaldkreis, Rheinland-Pfalz,
Obersayn : Rothenbach, Westerburg, Westerwaldkreis, Rheinland-Pfalz,
Sayn: Bendorf, Mayen-Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz
Sayne, Seidorf, Sanie: Militsch, Breslau, Schlesien, Prussia
still no ideas with Tweth 
Bob
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Berlin-Bob
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Hi Justin,
we were talking about your place name problem in the german chatroom this evening and a couple more suggestions came up:
Maybe the Want- in Wantangchach or Wath- in Wathangelbach are transcription errors and should be Wald. (There are lots of german place names beginning or ending in Wald = Wood)
This would give us Waldangchach or Waldangelbach.
Looking in http://gov.genealogy.net/ (again  ) gives us no hits,
but another suggestion: Waldangelloch finds
the district of Waldangelloch near Sinsheim, Elsenz, Rhein-Neckar-Kreis, Karlsruhe, Baden-Württemberg
Yet another suggestion was waldhambach which turns up three possibles:
the 'municipality commune' Waldhambach in Drulingen, Zabern, Unter-Elsaß, Alsace, France
A vicarage Waldhambach in Bad Bergzabern, Landau, Speyer, Bamberg,
and a district Waldhambach in Annweiler am Trifels, Südliche Weinstraße, Rheinland-Pfalz
Does any of this ring any bells, do any of these places figure in your family history ??
Any chance of scanning that page in the journal.
It's probably very old writing and very liable to misinterpretation.
Or can you tell us anything else about it's origins ??
regards,
Bob
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JustinL
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Thank you all for your suggestions.
Unfortunately, I literally only have the typed transcript, and that's about 20 years old. I shall try to find out whether the original can be tracked down.
There is nothing more in the family history that gives any clues about Ann's birthplace.
Sorry to be so brief, it's been a very tiring day.
Justin
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JustinL
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aldangelloch
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I think Waldangelloch is a pretty good contender.
The person who sent me the transcript is going to contact the owner of the original journal.
Fingers crossed!
Justin
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JustinL
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I now have the marvellous original journal on loan and have done some (poor) scans of some of the pages.
I read the town as Wantangelach in Germany near F Furth am Meyn
which must mean Waldangelloch near F[rank]furt am Main.
There is only about 60km between the two - quite near to each other when your sitting in London.
The second image is quite clearly Waldangelbach, an alternative name for Waldangelloch.
There's a third image to come ...
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JustinL
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The image quality is bad - any advice please???
Here's number 3 clearly reading Waldangeloch.
Justin
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Berlin-Bob
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A reply from BeaK:
Hallo Bob, auf dem letzten Bild liest man (für mich) eindeutig "Waldangeloch", das ist ein Stadtteil von Sinsheim. Habe auch die Schreibweise Waldange lloch gefunden Klick! und Klick!Könnte das vielleicht zutreffen? Viele Grüße, Bea
Click (= map of Sinsheim) and Click (Map of Waldangelloch)
Could that be it ??
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JustinL
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Thanks, Bob.
Did anyone have any thoughts on my interpretation of F Furth ...?
I lived genuinely close to FFM in Hanau (less than 20km away) for nine years; my German is still fluent.
Justin
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- so that doesn't mean anything!
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