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Hitchin Marriage between George IZZARD and Charlotte MORLEY 25th April 1835
« on: Friday 25 April 08 13:12 BST (UK) »

Hi, Everyone,
I was wondering whether anyone with access to the St Mary's Hitchin parish records could do me a quick look-up for a marriage that took place there on 25th April (happy anniversary!) 1835 between a George IZZARD and Charlotte MORLEY.
Would be very interested to discover if either is stated to be a widow/er, or where Charlotte's place of origin might have been...
Very best wishes,
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Re: Hitchin Marriage between George IZZARD and Charlotte MORLEY 25th April 1835
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 April 08 13:43 BST (UK) »

Hello Charlotte and George in 1841 census she and a Matilda Morley living with them born foreign parts1851 she is born Baren Pore, Bengal, East Indies British Subject Matilda born Ireland
1861 widowed born Hindustan East Indies

Pretty safe to assume she was born in East India.
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Re: Hitchin Marriage between George IZZARD and Charlotte MORLEY 25th April 1835
« Reply #2 on: Friday 25 April 08 13:47 BST (UK) »

Thanks very much for that, Medhist,
If I can get details of that marriage, the situation would become a lot clearer.  I'm wondering whether she was possibly widowed, though, if her birthdate is correct, then she was still a young woman when she married in 1835...
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Re: Hitchin Marriage between George IZZARD and Charlotte MORLEY 25th April 1835
« Reply #3 on: Friday 25 April 08 13:56 BST (UK) »

I have no access to Hitchin registers but in 1851 Matilda Morley living with her is her daughter, unmarried, age 18 so she was either married to a Morley or Matilda was illegitimate.  Lots os Morleys born in the area of India she came from but no baptism for Charlotte.  Also can;t find Matilda's birth in Irelabd after a brief look.  I'll see if she is recorded in any of the Indian marriages
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Re: Hitchin Marriage between George IZZARD and Charlotte MORLEY 25th April 1835
« Reply #4 on: Friday 25 April 08 14:14 BST (UK) »

Hi Keith,

Have you Charlotte's census in 1861?

Showing East Indies, Hindostin

RG9/818
54 page 21

Cheers

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Re: Hitchin Marriage between George IZZARD and Charlotte MORLEY 25th April 1835
« Reply #5 on: Friday 25 April 08 14:29 BST (UK) »

Can't find a baptism or marriage for Charlotte or Matilda in family search but a Matilda Morley married at hitchin in 1856 oct-dec Hitchin 3a 312.
two possible husbands John Simpkins French or William French.  If it is her you could get her father's name from marriage certificate if she had one.
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Cambridge: Groome
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Re: Hitchin Marriage between George IZZARD and Charlotte MORLEY 25th April 1835
« Reply #6 on: Friday 25 April 08 18:44 BST (UK) »

Thanks very much for all this, Medhist and Keith,
And I hadn't thought of the possibility of discovering Charlotte's husband/partner's name from the wedding certificate of her daughter...
It appears that a Charlotte IZZARD subsequently dies in Sept. quarter 1861...
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Re: Hitchin Marriage between George IZZARD and Charlotte MORLEY 25th April 1835
« Reply #7 on: Friday 25 April 08 19:03 BST (UK) »

...and Medhist and Keith,
Earlier today I initiated this search for Charlotte MORLEY's origins on the Emigrants boards.  Not sure if this is the link, but here goes:
www.rootschat/forum/index.php?topic=300948.new#new
Jorose has followed Mathilda through the Censuses (now why didn't I think of that) and in the 1901 it says that she was "Born at sea on the way from India", or words to that effect.
Now, where would this mean that her birth would have been registered, and would the vessel have been on its way to Ireland, hence Ireland being given as a birthplace...
keith
p.s. The link doesn't seem to work, so I've obviously mucked things up - can anyone with a bit more nous than me help me out...?
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Re: Hitchin Marriage between George IZZARD and Charlotte MORLEY 25th April 1835
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 26 April 08 07:28 BST (UK) »

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300948.0.html
using cut and paste is the link to your other thread Keith

If no-one is going into Hertford who could check the Hitchin register there's always the option of ordering the microfilm from the LDS Family History Centre in Cambridge

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Re: Hitchin Marriage between George IZZARD and Charlotte MORLEY 25th April 1835
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 26 April 08 11:16 BST (UK) »

David,
Thanks so much for quietly putting me right...Looks like I'll have to get down to my local LDS and order that microfilm next week.
Lovely morning here in sunny Cambridge, at last.  Hope things are looking good down there in the South of France too...
keith
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Re: Hitchin Marriage between George IZZARD and Charlotte MORLEY 25th April 1835
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 30 April 08 15:01 BST (UK) »

Hitchin St Mary Register:

No.366
George Izzard of this Parish Widower & Charlotte Morley of this Parish widow
Married in this Church by Banns this Twenty fifth Day of April in the Year One Thousand Eight Hundred and Thirty five By me Henry Wiles Vicar

This Marriage was solemnized between Us { George Izzard's X mark / Charlotte Morley
in the Presence of { Saml. Currell's X mark / Sarah Currell's X mark
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Re: Hitchin Marriage between George IZZARD and Charlotte MORLEY 25th April 1835
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 30 April 08 15:43 BST (UK) »

RichardK,
That's absolutely brilliant - thanks so much for turning that entry up for me!  So, the story of Charlotte gets even more interesting, as she was presumably widowed somewhere else in the world, possibly India, possibly Ireland.  And it does look as though George was widowed very early in his young life too, but this time in Hitchin itself.  See the link above to the other thread I started on the Emigrants Board, and the accurate suggestions made there...
Must try and look into Charlotte's earlier life in India, if that is going to be at all possible,
keith
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Re: Hitchin Marriage between George IZZARD and Charlotte MORLEY 25th April 1835
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 01 May 08 15:02 BST (UK) »

Hi Keith,

The 1856 marriage is recorded in the Hitchin St.Mary parish register  as William FRENCH of full age, labourer of St.Andrew, father William FRENCH, labourer and Matilda MORLEY of full age of St.Andrew, father John MORLEY, labourer were married by Banns on 1st November 1856.  Witnesses Charles and Ann FRENCH. All four made their marks.

John Simpkins FRENCH married at the same church on 8th November 1856.

Regards   ...   Peter
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Re: Hitchin Marriage between George IZZARD and Charlotte MORLEY 25th April 1835
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 01 May 08 16:14 BST (UK) »

Peter,
Thank you so much for looking this up for me!  Every time something new turns up like this on Charlotte (and Matilda), I have to think it all through again. 
So it looks as though that MORLEY/MACNEELANCE 1834 marriage in India is indeed a red herring.
Looks as though I'm going to need to look now for a Marriage between a Charlotte and a John MORLEY sometime in the early 1830's, but where in the world, with Mathilda either born in Ireland, or on board a ship, I'm not at all sure...
keith
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