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nudge67
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Hi all
my father is considering a trip to the UK to look up family roots, and I'm assisting him in finding locations. I have traced the EDWARDS family, who migrated to South Australia in 1850, through immigration and census records to Llanforda, near Oswestry. The St Asaph's Diocese records indicate that the EDWARDS family were yeomen or husbandmen of "The Mountain" at Llanvorda in the 17th & 18th centuries.
Could anyone advise me if this property is still locatable? I would greatly appreciate any assistance.
Cheers
Nudge
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19th century South Australian pioneers: Bowyer, Cassidy, Chesson, Davey, Degenhardt, Edwards, Floate, Hornsby, Jones, Ladner, Markey, McFeat, Messenger, Mills, Pike, Rees, Rhodes, Sibley, Tyler, Vivian, Wallis, Waye, Willoughby.
Other antipodean immigrants.
New Zealand: Hadland, Bailey, Pickett
Queensland: Gummow, Kleine, Urmson
Victoria: Caudwell
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pete edwards
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Hi Nudge 
Dont know about the location, but could these be yours?
Shropshire: Oswestry - Parish Registers, St. Asaph Diocese
13 Nov 1687 Richard, s. John Edwards, of The Mountain, in township of Llanvorda, & Ellin, b. 30 Oct 1687 bap.
17 Apr 1688 Samuel, s. John Edwards of The Mountain, in the township of Llanforda, & Katherine bap.
06 Dec 1688 Robert, s. John Edwards of the Mountain, in Llanvorda township, & Ellin bap.
25 Jan 1689 Elizabeth, d. John Edwards of The Mountain, in Llanvorda township, & Katherine, b. 20 Jan 1689 inst. bap.
29 Sep 1690 John, s. John Edwards of The Mountain, in Llanvorda township, & Ellin, b. 20 Sep 1690 bap.
21 Feb 1691 William, s. John Edwards of The Mountain, in Llanvorda township, & Elin bap.
10 Sep 1693 Thomas, s. John Edwards of The Mountain, in township of Llanvorda, & Ellin, b. 31 Aug 1693 bap.
18 Nov 1694 Jeremiah, s. John Edwards of The Mountain, in Llanvorda township, & Ellin, b. 31 Oct 1694 bap.
22 Mar 1695 Nathaniel, s. John Edwards of The Mountain, in Llanvorda township, & Elin, b. 06 Mar 1695 bap.
10 Oct 1697 Anne, d. Jon. Edwards of The Mountain, in Llanvorda township, & Ellin, b. 24 Sep 1697 bap.
20 Aug 1699 Elizabeth, d. John Edwards of The Mountain, in Llanvorda, & Ellin, b. 04 Aug 1699 bap.
29 Dec 1691 Elizabeth Edwards, spinster, of ye Mountain in Llanvorda township.
21 Mar 1790 Elizabeth, d. of Edward Edwards of Sweeney Mountain, & Elizabeth, b. 06 Mar 1790 bap.
05 Oct 1791 Sarah, d. of Richd. Edwards of Sweeney Mountain, labr., & Elizabeth, p., b. 24 Sep 1791 bap.
Might help a bit.
Besy wishes Pete
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Edwards, mainly Cound, Frodesely, Acton Burnell. Pitchford. and surrounding villages, Shropshire, / Rowe, Cound, / Littlehales, Berrington, Shropshire / Radford, Dublin, / Maguire, Acton Burnell, / Rudge, Frodesely, /
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nudge67
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Hi Pete
I had found some of those you listed at Ancestry.com, but not the Sweeney Mountain ones. Where is Sweeney mountain in relation to Llanforda?
Indeed, are there mountains in the area of Llanforda? Looks pretty flat on Google Earth - like floodplains.
Thanks for that.
Nudge
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19th century South Australian pioneers: Bowyer, Cassidy, Chesson, Davey, Degenhardt, Edwards, Floate, Hornsby, Jones, Ladner, Markey, McFeat, Messenger, Mills, Pike, Rees, Rhodes, Sibley, Tyler, Vivian, Wallis, Waye, Willoughby.
Other antipodean immigrants.
New Zealand: Hadland, Bailey, Pickett
Queensland: Gummow, Kleine, Urmson
Victoria: Caudwell
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pete edwards
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Hi Nudge
The only mountain I know of in that area is called Long mountain. thats not to say there arnt any more, I used to do a lot of work in that area and it is quite rugged.
I found these entries they are not yours but it might help with the locations,
Shropshire: Oswestry - Parish Registers, St. Asaph Diocese
17 May 1694 John, s. John Thomas of The Mountain, in Willow St., Libertie, & Anne, b. 11 May 1694 bap.
25 Aug 1695 John, s. John Thomas of The Mountain, in Willow St. libertie, & Anne, b. 19 Aug 1695 bap.
as for the adress Im stumped. Sweeney mountain must be still about.
www.maesbury.org/tourism/walks/index.html - 21k
Best of luck tracing the Edwards surname Im looking for my lot ab 18 miles away in the villiages surrounding Shrewsbury,
Pete
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nudge67
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Hi Peter
I knew mine were from the Oswestry area, and then found them in the 1841 census at Llanforda:
Thomas Henry Edwards b. Oct 1800, farmer
wife Elizabeth b. ~1796 (not from Salop)
son Thomas Henry b. 29 Sep 1833
daughter Elizabeth b. ~1835
son John b. ~1837
They migrated to South Australia in 1850 aboard the Lord Ashburton, and after finding 212 ounces of gold at the Victorian diggings (worth over 1000 pounds), settled in the Mt Gambier area as succesful graziers.
Thomas Henry Edwards Jr, grazier and district councillor, married Catherine Jones (b. ~1834) of Fox Hall, Oswestry, who had arrived in Adelaide aboard the Alma in 1857. I am an Edwards descended from them.
I visited Fox Hall in 1982. Frustratingly, I have been unable to find Catherine, or her parents John & Elizabeth Jones, in either the 1841 or 1851 census.
I found Sweeney on Google Earth, it is several miles SSW of Oswestry, where Llanforda is due west. Still, may be related.
Thanks for your help
Nigel (Nudge) Edwards
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19th century South Australian pioneers: Bowyer, Cassidy, Chesson, Davey, Degenhardt, Edwards, Floate, Hornsby, Jones, Ladner, Markey, McFeat, Messenger, Mills, Pike, Rees, Rhodes, Sibley, Tyler, Vivian, Wallis, Waye, Willoughby.
Other antipodean immigrants.
New Zealand: Hadland, Bailey, Pickett
Queensland: Gummow, Kleine, Urmson
Victoria: Caudwell
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Gadget
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Hi nudge
I've come over to this thread as it seems more appropriate than the general one for a discussion of Llanforda
A possiblility for the The Mountain, could be around Llanforda Ucha (ucha meaning upper in Welsh). Also, to the west of that is a hill ridge called Craig Forda - Forda Rock. It seems plausible to me.
Gadget
PS - it would be Oswestry parish
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nudge67
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thanks gadget, will check it out on a map. i've seen Llanforda Ucha befor on one of the area, it stuck in my mind because I wondered what Ucha meant.
Cheers
Nudge
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19th century South Australian pioneers: Bowyer, Cassidy, Chesson, Davey, Degenhardt, Edwards, Floate, Hornsby, Jones, Ladner, Markey, McFeat, Messenger, Mills, Pike, Rees, Rhodes, Sibley, Tyler, Vivian, Wallis, Waye, Willoughby.
Other antipodean immigrants.
New Zealand: Hadland, Bailey, Pickett
Queensland: Gummow, Kleine, Urmson
Victoria: Caudwell
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Gadget
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Also, a bit of Welsh for you
Llan on it's own can be translated as Church. However the usual word for church is Eglwys. Llan in the context of a place name usually means village or settlement.
In Welsh certain letters are mutated after consonants. M changes to F, etc.
So Llanforda is roughly translated as the village of Morda - after the river.
This is my intepretation of it's derivation.
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Hi again
Have you looked on A2A:
http://www.a2a.org.uk
use Llanvorda as well as Llanforda. I've found a document referring to Robert ap Edward and Margaret ap Edward dated 1557 using Llanvorda. There is also the possibility of an Edward ap Richard (Welsh probate records) in 1639 using Llanforda.
It is likely that the further back you go, the more chance there is of running into the patronymic form of naming. I have the early Oswestry parish records on (poor quality) microfiche and will check them.
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nudge67
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Thanks, Gadget
From what I've seen on Ancestry.com, the change from Llanvorda to Llanforda occured around the year 1800. I'm not familiar with the a2a site, I'll have a quick squiz at that.
cheers
nudge
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19th century South Australian pioneers: Bowyer, Cassidy, Chesson, Davey, Degenhardt, Edwards, Floate, Hornsby, Jones, Ladner, Markey, McFeat, Messenger, Mills, Pike, Rees, Rhodes, Sibley, Tyler, Vivian, Wallis, Waye, Willoughby.
Other antipodean immigrants.
New Zealand: Hadland, Bailey, Pickett
Queensland: Gummow, Kleine, Urmson
Victoria: Caudwell
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Gadget
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It would vary, I think. depending on who was writing it. There is no 'v' in Welsh - 'f' is used instead for that sound with 'ff' sounding as f. So, for political correctness nowadays, it would always be spelled Llanforda.
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